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Whats the diff between MS-64 and MS-65

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 Posted 12/28/2008  8:00 pm Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Coinage to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

what are the physical differences between MS-64 rated coins vs. MS-65 rated coins?

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 Posted 12/28/2008  8:02 pm  Show Profile Check bmanofnbc's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
about $100

Just kidding....the truth is, it could be the number of bag marks or the weakness/strength of the strike, the mood of the grader or any combination of those.
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 Posted 12/28/2008  8:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Coinage to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hahaha! See, this is why I said, "What are the PHYSICAL differences..."

Thanks for the explanation. I'm thinking of buying some MS-65 coins for my personal set and buying MS-64 coins for re-sale at a later date.
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 Posted 12/28/2008  8:27 pm  Show Profile Check bmanofnbc's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coinage, I'll see your dancing Banana and raise you one Happy Pepper
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 Posted 12/28/2008  8:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Coinage to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
seriously, the Banana has way better dance moves. I mean, look at him, he's getting Hyphy wit-it; that pepper has nothing on the Banana-Man!

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 Posted 12/28/2008  8:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add IBGolden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Aye... that's nasty



edit... better dances applied.

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 Posted 12/28/2008  9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sir Ferrari to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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MS-64--Few marks/hairlines or a couple of severe ones, strike should be average or above

MS-65--Minor marks/hairlines though none in focal areas, above average strike


It all depends on where the marks are on the coin.
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 Posted 12/28/2008  10:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It really could be anything that drops a coin from MS65 to a MS64. When I grade, its mostly bagmark and hits that knock these down for me, especially if they are in the prime focal area.
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 Posted 12/29/2008  12:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with ceaton , since grading is essentially based on the details of the coin , when comparing Mint state to mint state grades the difference could be anything from a scratch to where that scratch is , a hit on the reverse field opposed to a hit on the cheek on the obverse would be one example .

die polishing and die state are also factors since they determine the sharpness or the weakness in the design .



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 Posted 12/29/2008  12:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JonS.7070 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like stated above where the bag marks are located is important, the more hidden the better. I also believe full complete luster is important on some series as well as strike. Even though strike in my opinion should not be considered for a TECHNICAL grade as that is the way the coin was originally minted. For general grading purposes I think that considering strike along with all other factors is useful. I think that a gem coin needs to have full booming luster above and or below the toning (if any) and real clean full, sharp surfaces and rims.
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Don't you think that grading now is more liberal now than years ago ? With the breakout and resubmission game, it looks like TPG services aim to please.
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 Posted 03/22/2009  10:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since the same coin can come back MS63 or MS66, the real answer is there is no difference. Acccording to the guy who invented the system, a MS66 should be worth 10% more than a MS60, yet it sometimes is worth 1000 times as much. The instant you take a MS65 coin out of the slab, figure it's a MS63. Then take up a hobby like collecting coins instead of pieces of plastic.
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 Posted 03/22/2009  10:42 am  Show Profile Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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what are the physical differences between MS-64 rated coins vs. MS-65 rated coins?

If it's a TPG, depends on how their day is going.
If they feel good, it's a MS65.
If they have a headache, it's MS64.
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 Posted 03/22/2009  6:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kabiye_Lady to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The OP never mentioned TPG's. Only MS-64 vs. MS-65.

Personal opionion. There are basically 3 MS grades:
MS-60 to MS-62 --> It's uncirculated, but got a lot of stuff going on
MS-63 to MS-66 --> Nice Uncirculated coin - not too many distractions
MS-67+ ---> Nice coin. Primo. You might not be able to define it, but you know it when you see it.

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 Posted 03/22/2009  11:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zerozero to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The OP never mentioned TPG's. Only MS-64 vs. MS-65.

Personal opionion. There are basically 3 MS grades:
MS-60 to MS-62 --> It's uncirculated, but got a lot of stuff going on
MS-63 to MS-66 --> Nice Uncirculated coin - not too many distractions
MS-67+ ---> Nice coin. Primo. You might not be able to define it, but you know it when you see it.


I like this.

They should change the nomenclature to MS-1, MS-2 or MS-3.

That would make things much easier.

:)

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