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2009 Penny Unknown Error?

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chefhemi13
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 Posted 03/15/2012  6:16 pm Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add chefhemi13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I found this coin looking through my change jar earlier today. What type of error is it and is it of any value?







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 Posted 03/15/2012  6:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you post a closer image? It looks like a partial collar strike. It's a keeper for sure, but I don't know the value. Maybe $5-10?
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03/15/2012 6:34 pm
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 Posted 03/15/2012  6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chefhemi13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a more side view of the coin. Sorry for the LQ pictures, they are from my phone.



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If that's a true rail road rim error I think it would be worth more then $10.
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What exactly is a rail road rim error and how do I tell? And what exactly would the price be? Sorry, I am an amateur coin collector for sure! I can try and post better quality pictures if it helps.
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I've never seen an error like that so I will check back to see what the experts say.

As for what it might be worth -- like everything else, it is worth whatever somebody is willing to pay for it. There are probably a few error coins that are worth a bit - notably the 1955 penny with the doubled date - but mostly I see them sell for $10 or less.
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Hmmm...no idea. I'll be watching this thread to see what Mike Diamond has to say.
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By the way, 'railroad rim' is also known as 'partial collar' and you might have better luck searching with that term.
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 Posted 03/15/2012  8:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jasper62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes definitely a keeper.I've seen very few errors for 2009
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I've looked up both "railroad rim" and "partial collar", and I'm almost posotive that's what it is. But I can't seem to find anything on the value of this error, I don't know if any of you have seen partial collar coins sold?
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It can be hard to place a value on errors because you have to find somebody who's interested in it. However, errors like this seem to be scarce in recent years. The fact that it's a 2009 may also add to the interest, and your coin looks like an attractive example from the pictures. Recent completed eBay auctions suggest something around $10-15 (these were generally older coins.)

There are a couple different kinds of partial collar errors. The most common is a tilted partial collar. That's where the coin is a bit slightly off center or something while struck and when the collar comes up, it's cockeyed. The rim of the coin will be properly formed on one side, but not the other, and there will be a sorta diagonal transition between. Here's a picture of the edge of a tilted partial collar dime I found.



Another kind is where the collar comes up only part way, but pretty much is even around the whole coin. The result is a coin that's sorta shaped like a train wheel, hence "railroad rim". This is much less common and more valuable. Yours looks like this type. Here's a picture of a nickel I found that is a railroad rim to compare to your coin.

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 Posted 03/15/2012  11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chefhemi13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish I had a camera with the ability to take high quality close ups.. But my penny definitely looks like the nickel, but almost more pronounced than that. It runs around about 3/4 the coin's diameter and juts out about 1mm.

Here's another picture, even more so of the side.

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 Posted 03/16/2012  08:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suspect this coin was altered outside the Mint. Since the middle of 2005, all business strike cents have been struck with an inverted die setup (reverse die as hammer die). Therefore a genuine partial collar error should show the flange extending from the reverse face, not the obverse face.

Of course, there's always a chance the Mint pulled an old Bliss press out of retirement, but why they should have done so is unclear.

In the end, this coin would require close study.
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 Posted 03/16/2012  09:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it was mounted in a bezel at some point. Is there any exposed zinc along the edge? Does the coin show signs of damage like scrapes or scratches?
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Here are a little better pictures that might help with determining wether or not it happened in them mint or post. (at least I hope these help )

It doesn't look post mint though, because on the so called "partial collar" (flattened piece) there is almost a very miniscule waffle pattern that I cannot pick up on camera. Although what do I know.. I am a total amateur!
Thanks for the feedback guys.

Here are the pictures!





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I see exposed zinc on the edge in those last couple p ictures, which means it must have happened post-mint. Maybe somebody modified the coin on a lathe? The better question is "why?"
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