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How many different S mint mark shapes are there on the 1943 quarter?  
 

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 Posted 01/11/2017  09:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 3193zd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Has any one compiled data on the different mint mark shapes for any years of Washington quarters? I have two varieties below are there more?



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Going by whats shown on varietyvista, two are known to have been used this year. The first of which is listed as ex rare. MMS-002 (trumpet tail) and MMS-003 (straight serifs).

Having difficulties finding more known examples of 1943's for comparison at this time.

Note: I'm not the expert of MM styles. Have found MM's have a tendency to distort during circulation so wait for an experts comments. Thanks, Doug.
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So what is my second one? I don't think it is a straight serif.
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There were mostly the Straight serif style for the 1943-S quarters:

This is called the MMS-003 mint mark punch.
There was one die that was different that year and it has a FS number:


With the circulation wear on your coin, it might not be known what it was?
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I see, well what I can see is that the top of the S curve does not proceed forward on mine as the other examples you have shown. mine is noticeably short of the bottom curve which I would question how possible could one of the serifs styles wear to that shape? Again wear back and wear off the top serif.
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It seems to me that one distinguishing factor is the inside of the bottom curve. One angles up much more. 003 does not have that upward sloping steep angle. Yours looks much closer to 002
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Thanks for the reply coop. I appreciate this! I do see that. But again couldn't that be changed if the mark gets smash down? The whole mark is fatter, except for the front top outside curve where it is shorter and with out the serif. not like 002. Also the bottom outside of the ball end is angled upward not vertical. If started as an 002, I would assume the ball at the bottom would be even larger (taller due to the serif). If the whole mark got smashed wouldn't the top curve also be wider and taller compared to 002? Just like the bottom got distorted? I guess just trying to get answers so I will be better informed on my next coin I trouble you with! So far you have confirmed two good coins and confirmed 2 as nothing special for me. I do feel very confident at recognizing machine damage and die doubling from your help!
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Maybe full images of obverse and reverse will help.

Though the MM images show heavy circulation so markers maybe worn away. Also markers would be pending the die state it was struck with as well. Thanks, Doug.
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Well there was only one die that was the MMS-002 for that year. So the location of the mint mark would have to be identical to be a match for 002. The MMS-003 the rest of the dies that year were these examples. So the locations will vary.
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Well if thats the case then compare my location of mint mark with 003s and the 002. mine is closer to the location of the 002, more left of center and front angles back a little like 002.
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Well if thats the case then compare my location of mint mark with 003s and the 002.


Coop brought up a good point about MM location. I already took that into account, before asking for more images.

We have to take into account the MM and surrounding elements are a bit distorted from circulation. The MM location of yours and the location of the two examples MMS-002 images I've compared to, seem quite similar.

That said the location is similar to one MMS-003 as well. Thanks, Doug.
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Here you go Doug, not much to look at.







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Thanks 3193zd. Was hoping the full images might reveal more despite the circulation wear, but seems to be to worn for aiding in a positive ID.

If any of the three die cracks or other markers were originally present I can't positively ID them from the added pics. Thanks, Doug.
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Looks like a match to MMS-002. The side by side shows they are in the same location. But to get it ID for sure, with the circulation it puts it in doubt.
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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Thanks coop for the side by side. I did overlays which seemed pretty spot on to me, but were not a worthy means of posting or illustrating to others.

I'm about ready to upgrade or down grade my PSE9 so I can add "straight" vector lines for similar illustrations. Thanks, Doug.
Second opinions are always recommended. Rookies thoughts!
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