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Overstrike 1964D Peace Dollar by Daniel Carr  

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Pillar of the Community
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 Posted 03/11/2012  10:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, the Chinese sellers sold silver 1964D dollars at 45.00 each. I have not seen the 64-D in hand, but own the Chinese (from the Batman movie) double-faced Peace dollar - NOT in silver. They look good.

- When I value " being right" more than what IS right, I am then right...a fool
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 Posted 12/14/2013  1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add myestate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO, the 1964 D Silver Peace dollar by Mr. Carr is a 'Fantasy token' which is not a legal tender.

Like it or not, he is working the loopholes within the law; furthermore, he clearly stated the coins he produced have no affiliation/connection with the Treasury nor any government agency.

A good example would be, an individual is selling a Picasso painting knowing it is not from the hands of Picasso but he can still titled and intentionally mislead the prospect buyer as long as the seller include the following sentence somewhere in the description, 'In the manner of Picasso.'

This borderline loophole because the seller is merely disclosing the art is most likely done by one of Picasso's student, fan, faithful, or anyone other than Picasso himself. Obviously by doing so, the price realized will be far far less than the real deal. Fascinating to me, as anyone with no art background can create a piece of art, forge the intended artist's signature, then list on E b a y as, in the manner of; you will be surprised how many people out there will bid on your artwork.

I have never done such act, but the loophole is there. Keep it on the DL for the coincommunity. =)

Carr disclosed his 'Fantasy Token' as needed by law and it is not legal tender. In this case, Mr. Carr openly stated the responsibility of the owners to disclose the origin of the Fantasy Token. The consumer is also liable for his/her due diligence before getting fooled by a fraud purposely trying to sell a DC 1964 D as an authentic for the sum of, $25,000(whatever the amount).

This coin is beautiful, and the pictures do no justice. It will literally make you feel as if your collection just, leveled up.

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 Posted 03/16/2014  10:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add callcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the subject of Daniel Carr's coins minted with a retired Denver U.S. Mint press. This a form of counterfeiting that challenges the "Emperor's Clothes". Bernard von Nothaus is a convicted felon for having minted a coin that "looks like" (has some resemblance to) a U.S. minted coin, and Daniel Carr buys a U.S. mint press with Mint planchets inside to over strike the original article. Now Carr has made a tidy business of it with whatever he sells commanding large premiums to the buyer. He mints an illegal 1964 Peace dollar (the illegality along the order of a 1933 double eagle), and the U.S. Mint has nothing to say. Meanwhile Bernard von Nothaus' life has been ruined, and the U.S. Government holds at least seven million dollars of other people's money. I haven't seen anyone direct comment to these two issues together. This stinks.
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 Posted 03/16/2014  11:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Read the transcripts from the Nauthaus trial and you will see it was a sham. I think his problem was the feds did not like someone actually getting large enough to be recognized as competition on their territory/power. There are and were others doing the same thing. In fact the same Liberty Dollar design was sold and used by another place making rounds and a "New Liberty Dollar" that looks the same with some subtle differences is now being minted... but with little recognition and so not a threat to the fed.

This is what Nauthaus is not serving time etc. In fact he now holds some sort of record in NC for being the one to go longest without punishment for being declared guilty in court. It would take little paperwork and legal action for the authorities to take action. But it may just be the legal system knows if they take it further, it would only serve to re-open the case if Nauthaus took it to a higher court (meaning more publicity) et cetera. They have pretty much silenced him/his movement and removed the silver from circulation - and this is likely what it really was all about. Mafia-style politics.

The ones convicting him know they took an illegal action against him. But like so many things in this day we live in, it was not about legitimate justice, it was about getting Nauthaus out of the way. This is why the FBI even did something as ridiculous as saying they might make it illegal to own the NIRFED rounds and also told eBay to stop all the NORFED auctions - they did not want the Nauthaus story to have any credibility, and they wanted to make the general public afraid of associating with the idea since it undermines the very concept of the fed. But if you type NORFED into eBay you will see there are still daily new auctions, however, the amount of NORFED stuff being sold daily has lessened - likely from the scare tactics in play. The feds retain their power unquestioned and they silenced someone who was challenging their power to create money from thin air. It matters not to them that they are illegally holding other peoples' property at present.

I am not sure why it is illegal for Carr to make a silver dollar the mint claims does not exist legitimately. But I do admit if they wanted to, they could surely take him out to. Until it threatens their power/authority, they likely will do nothing. If he started minting 1921 Morgans identical to legitimate circulated coins, then they would go after him probably.

- When I value " being right" more than what IS right, I am then right...a fool
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