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Medieval Gros Of Brittany—what's Up With Those Ermines?

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 Posted 02/16/2019  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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my understanding is that the odd cut-out in the shield was for a lance.


That's really interesting. I don't think I;ve ever seen a shield/coat of arms on a coin shaped like that before. I always figured these heraldic devices were portrayed as they might appear as ornamention on a gate to the city (e.g. the seat of government for a duchy) etc., NOT as they would appear on a shield carried into battle.
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Blanc of Duke John V of Brittany, mintmark D (Dinan)


The legends agree well with the attached drawings of Roberts type 6131, except the coin has DVS instead of DVX on the reverse, and the crosses at 12 o'clock on both sides are somewhat different style than what are depicted.


Listing of John V Blanc types (from Roberts)
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Lovely patina, nice coin!
Yeah, those are definitely not crosses, nor do they appear to be stars (too asymmetric).
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I'm guessing that they are Maltese crosses, like this one.
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Of course...shame on me for not figuring that out .

And that list of Brittany mints is a reminder of some of the tiny places that served as mints in earlier times. Nantes and Rennes I can understand, but Quimperle? (even Quimper would have made more sense).

I am aware of two other issuers who used an ermine (or similar creature) on their medieval/Renaissance coins (though it's the entire animal):
1. the Duchy of Urbino: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces80516.html
2. Slavonia: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces34611.html
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Looking over my French coins, I discovered that this 1661 1/2 ecu minted in Rennes also shows both the ermine (Andre Bourgault, Mint Director's mark) and the croix fourchee (spiked Maltese cross, Engraver Denis Mathias' mark).
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Somewhat later, Martial Menisser, Mint Director at Rennes (1666-1672) used the ermine mark,



and at the Nantes mint in Brittany, the ermine mark was also used from time to time.



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Ermine mint mark on Elizabeth I sixpence of 1572 at 1 o'clock on both obverse and reverse.
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Tons of great ermines @t360. Thx for the additions to this thread!
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1526-44 Henry VIII Groat (4d), with ermine mink marks at 1 o'clock on the reverse and obscured somewhat by the weak strike at 12 o'clock on the obverse.



I'm Henry the eighth I am
Henry the eighth I am, I am
I got married to the widow next door
She's been married seven times before
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She wouldn't have a Willy or a Sam (no Sam)
I'm her eighth old man, I'm Henry
Henry the eighth I am
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1757 Louis XV French ecu, mint mark 9 (Rennes)
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1745 French ecu, also minted at Rennes in Brittany
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Always glad to see some additional ermines. Maybe I should see if @jbuck would move this thread to the "post your coins with." section of CCF.
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Agreed.
I have an another ermine coin on its way that just cleared customs.
International shipments are painfully slow these days.
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1538-1574 Armellino from Urbino, Italy
Guidobaldo II Della Rovere

Ermine with tongue extended
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1484-1488 Francois II, Duchy of Brittany, Blanc à la targe

25mm, mint mark R - Rennes
Obv: + . (Ermine) . FRANCISCVS : BRITONVM : DVX R
Rev: + . (Ermine) . SIT : NOME : DNI . BENEDITVM .
Engraved by Jehan Meschinot
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