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US Mint Quietly Lowers Silver Weights?

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 Posted 02/13/2022  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Notice the specs for the 2021 silver proof limited edition. It lists the quarters weights as 6.343 grams .199 troy oz. But 6.343 grams is not .199 troy oz, it's .2039 troy oz. And .199 troy oz is 6.189 grams. To make these specs correct, the Washington Crossing the Delaware quarter must be 6.343 grams while the Tuskegee quarter must be 6.189 grams.

It looks to me like the marketing copy for the 2021 LES set was incorrect and that error has been carried over to the 2022 Ag quarters set.

The 2021 Ag proof set website indicates there are 27.9gm or .984 oz of Ag in the set (note it's oz and NOT ozt, don't ask me why). This looks to be correct as 2.537gm + 2 x 6.343gm + 12.685gm = 27.908gm = .897ozt = .984oz. So, if you add in two 1.0ozt Silver Eagles then the 2021 LES set should have 2.897 ozt of Ag yet the website indicates 2.876ozt.

Essentially, the 2021 LES website has incorrect Ag amounts listed for everything but the silver eagles. For the dime, 2.537gm = .0815 ozt NOT .079, for the quarters 6.343gm = 2.039ozt NOT .199 and for the half dollar 12.685gm = .4078ozt NOT .399.
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 Posted 04/10/2022  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Has anyone who's gotten a Ag quarters set weighed one of the quarters? I get them with the full Ag set and that's not released yet.

I see from COAs online that the COA says .199 ozt and NOT 6.343 grams like it used to say.
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 Posted 04/11/2022  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I get them with the full Ag set and that's not released yet.
Same.

You can ask some of the recipients in this topic:

http://goccf.com/t/419519
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 Posted 06/28/2022  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Update. My email was sent to "upper management" last Feb. They have ignored me. Haven't heard a peep and likely will never hear from them.
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 Posted 06/28/2022  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have you tried to press this issue since Feb?
Try using the 'freedom of information act to get the info you need. If it the information is public, they have to release it.
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 Posted 06/28/2022  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Just think about it. The difference between the stated troy oz and your calculations for the half dollar is 0.00883 troy oz. A whole 6/10 of a cent worth of silver. A difference likely within tolerance for most coins.
A bit late, but you must have been looking up prices per gram. In fact 0.00883 troy ounces is about 0.27 grams and worth about 18 cents in silver value; it's also a difference of over 2% from the full weight.
(As it happens, the weight tolerance for 90% silver half dollars, back in the day, was 0.259 grams, which is actually less than this difference!)



Look at the rightmost coin on this pic for an idea of what 0.27 grams in silver looks like. (There's conveniently a dime for scale.) It's a very small amount of silver but not that small.
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 Posted 07/01/2022  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Received my 2022 Ag proof set and fired up my milligram scale to weigh the Ag quarters.

The Maya Angelo weighed 6.378gm, the Sally Ride weighed 6.358gm and the Willma Mankiller weighed 6.368. That's an average weight of 6.368gm. Didn't see the need to weigh any more, so I didn't weigh the Otero-Warren and Wong quarters.

Seems pretty clear that the silver quarter weights haven't changed from the previously stated weight of 6.343gm or .205 ozt.

Also, I didn't weigh the Kennedy half or the Roosevelt dime. Since the quarter's weights haven't changed, I suspect that the half dollar and dime weights haven't changed either. Maybe I'll weigh them later, if my curiosity gets the better of me.

So, it appears that someone at the Mint made a mistake when they converted the silver coin weights from grams to troy ounces and then transposed the mistakes to the COAs and website information.

My guess is that the Mint doesn't want to admit the mistake and be faced with the potential of having to provide updated correct COAs for all the products (remember they did provide updated packaging for the Apollo/Kennedy Half set that incorrectly identifed Gilroy Roberts as the reverse designer instead of Frank Gasparro.)

If anyone else has a milligram scale and is willing to weigh their silver coins, then I'd appreciate confirmation of my weight numbers, I did calibrate the scale before weighing the coins, but still, you can't be sure unless someone else can repeat the results as well.

I guess we now wait until next year to see if the Mint fixes the wrong weights for the silver coins.

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 Posted 07/02/2022  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Erscolo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The explanation and end to this is to be found in a new Coin World article.

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...er-proof-set

No doubt those with a cynical and conspiratorial mind will not be satisfied.
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 Posted 07/03/2022  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadDog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The explanation and end to this is to be found in a new Coin World article.

https://www.coinworld.com/news/us-c...er-proof-set

No doubt those with a cynical and conspiratorial mind will not be satisfied.

The key point from the article is
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The silver content has not changed for any of the coins in the 2022-S Silver Proof set, despite the Mint now reporting the weight of the silver coins in troy ounces at the lower limit allowed in each coin's specification range.

Glad to see that my scale is still accurate

I guess I understand why the Mint wants to indicate the minimum precious metal content of the silver proof set coins (makes it consistent with the way they indicate the precious metal content for bullion coins), but it boggles my mind that they didn't let the coin collecting community know about the change when it was made

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 Posted 07/03/2022  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO bad communication from the US Mint regarding the grams to ounces discrepancies, advertising exact weight in grams but minimum planchet tolerance in ounces.
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 Posted 07/03/2022  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So, it appears that someone at the Mint made a mistake when they converted the silver coin weights from grams to troy ounces and then transposed the mistakes to the COAs and website information.

I tend to agree with this statement. a simple error and transitional error at the mint.
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 Posted 07/03/2022  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Mint did not admit to an error. They did not answer my email inquiry back in Feb. I'm a lowly customer. Now, finally the Mint offers an explanation. It took the clout of Coin World to get them to respond. Still an error to me.
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 Posted 07/03/2022  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems conclusive to me. They should have stuck with grams.
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 Posted 07/03/2022  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another government employee reply to a simple question. And this surprises you why? I like how they turned it into a complaint which needed forwarded up the chain.
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