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1878 8TF VAM 14.20 Morgan Dollar

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 Posted 04/22/2022  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The die crack from the hair up to the cap fold looks like VAM-14.2 to me.
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 Posted 04/22/2022  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bluemagoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm traveling but will post pics when I get home.
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 Posted 04/22/2022  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This would be big news in the VAM world community for sure. I would think Jeff Oxman has one as he had the first complete 8TF set I know of, at least at the time of the first edition of his and Les Harnett's book he did, (I was one of the helpers on that project and listed in the acknowledgement section). This MS63 if it's indeed the 14.20 is quite a few grades above any other I know of.
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 Posted 04/22/2022  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just trying to help here. I'm no expert. My knowledge of VAMS is very limited. The VAM-14.20 pics on Vamwold don't seem to have the obverse clash and die crack which is on the VAM-14.2. Here's a VAM-14.20 on PCGS site, graded AU53. It doesn't have the clash, die crack either to my eyes. I had to downsize this pic to download it and it got out of focus.

Both the VAM-14.2 and VAM-14.20 have lines in the cotton bolls. One indicator difference is the length of the triangle raised part from the top of ear going down, which in medical terms divides the fossa areas. The VAM-14.2 is shorter while the VAM-14.20 is longer which goes further past the tragus, see pics. Bluemagoo, if your coin is the long one I assume it is a VAM-14.20 but with clash and die crack? That would be very cool.




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04/22/2022 11:03 pm
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 Posted 05/01/2022  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 05/03/2022  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Hope it is!!!
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 Posted 05/03/2022  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Blue

Congratulations if this works out for you- appears it has. Waiting for any further- now I've got to go check mine
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 Posted 05/11/2022  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin is now the topic of discussion on VAMworld2.
It's worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $500 as a VAM14.2.
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05/11/2022 08:32 am
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 Posted 05/11/2022  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the link to Vamworld. Those who commented think this coin is a 14.2.

http://www.vamworld.com/forum/viewt...p?f=4&t=6519

Here is the pic on PCGS. I enlarged the ear area. Sure looks like a 14.2 IMO, not the rare 14.20 with the longer triangle area further in the ear. It has the same obverse die cracks like the 14.2. All examples of the 14.20 I've seen do not have these cracks. IMO whoever owns this coin and wants to sell it should inform a buyer this may be a PCGS error or send it to PCGS for a second look. I would not want to spend extra money on questionable rare variety. As a 14.2 it's still a really nice coin.

I checked the verification number on PCGS and it says it is a 14.2. So it seems the label was made incorrectly.

Some collectors have stated grading companies don't have the same quality control as they used to. Thousands of coins perhaps are briefly examined and mistakes are made.




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05/12/2022 3:16 pm
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 Posted 05/12/2022  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the more likely scenario is PCGS caught wind of their attribution blunder and updated the web site with the correct VAM number.
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 Posted 05/12/2022  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well that is likely PCGS fixed the online VAM number, but makes me wonder if the owner will keep the bad label.
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05/12/2022 6:13 pm
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 Posted 05/12/2022  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone in the market for a 14.20 for their 8tf set will know this one is not.
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 Posted 05/13/2022  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bluemagoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, forgot about this thread.
Stacks Bower reviewed the coin and verified it was labeled incorrectly. The coin is sitting with PCGS for reconsideration.
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 Posted 05/17/2022  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bluemagoo, thanks for the update.
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 Posted 05/29/2022  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Solo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just wait for the conclusion from the CCF expert.

She is beautiful Bluemagoo, congrats.
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