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Who Is Hoarding All The1858 Large Cents?

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 Posted 05/10/2022  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I published the study in 2007, I thought the prices on 1858 cents would drop, since the mintage was significantly more than previously thought. The opposite happened, for the reasons Okie said.

I still have the study coins and quite a few more, but I have bought very few over the past four or five years.
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 Posted 05/13/2022  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Beaver22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@bosox the original mintage doesn't really affect how many are left. The rarity is a key factor.
I'm not the one hoarding the 1858 cents.
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 Posted 05/13/2022  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the original mintage DOES affect how many are left. The published mintage was 421,000, but people who carefully collect the Colonial early Vickies, feel that the mintage was probably double that or a little more. He had that in his book(s) so that's the reason that he posted above that he thought that prices and hoarding would go DOWN, not up. The '58's were the first Canadian coinages and some were hoarded from day one, but Canada was hurting for ANY kind of coinage to use in pay and trade. Before that, US, British, French, Spanish had to be used and banks and vendors had to mint their own cents and half-cents just to be able to function. For way over 100 years, collectors saved, put away or collected the 1858's, knowing that only 400K coins were minted and were rare or scarce. When the Mint went ahead and minted 10 million 1859's, then more '58's were put away since vendors were awash in all kinds of coinages. Initial mintage have a great deal to do with value and collectability, especially if there are 100's of books telling everyone how scarce they are. I feel the same way that bosox does in that the 1859/8's probably had fewer minted than the 1858's. It's what's been written doownin papers and books that usually dictate value, as well as collectability of the coin.
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 Posted 05/13/2022  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could it be that the current popularity and high demand for '59s has greatly reduced the demand for '58s.
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 Posted 05/16/2022  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Check gidjit's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i have a few,
here is a post of the first roll I put together, still working on my second roll (im not far away)
http://goccf.com/t/257242&SearchTerms=1858,roll
please check out my collection of large cents from 1858 - 1920 (click link below, you DO NOT need a facebook account to view)
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/...l=4b87156114
also you can see my collection of 1859 die pairs here
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/...47995&type=3
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 Posted 05/16/2022  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very impressive gidjit.
I have only 4 and lucky to have these down here.
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 Posted 05/16/2022  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Check 1960NYGiants's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1960NYGiants to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've got 22, all different Turner die pairs.
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 Posted 05/16/2022  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My original 2007 study sample, plus others bought since then, is something north of 200 pieces. Some common die pairs, some not.
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 Posted 05/16/2022  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The real sleepers are the 1859 W9/8 cents. Although not a date unto themselves, but rather an overdate, their mintage is considerably less than the 1858 cents.
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 Posted 05/17/2022  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was recently a well known large cent collector selling tonz of 1959 large cents on the Facebook group I'm in, I saw a few w9/8 in the mix I believe, I think they all went for well under there value though, I haven't purchased a coin in a while now, life's been busy. Unfortunately my large cent collection has been on hold for months and months now, I'll have to get at least a few 59 but as for the 58 they are generally out if my price range when they come up.
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 Posted 05/17/2022  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'll have to get at least a few 59 but as for the 58 they are generally out if my price range when they come up.

Kinda supports what I said earlier, I know a couple of collectors in much the same position, the popularity of '59 varieties is reducing demand for'58s.
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 Posted 05/17/2022  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not believe that the collector hoarding patten has not changed significantly in recent years.
More possible in my mind is there has been more study interest in them in recent years, and this results in increased average value, and the collectors that have them have tended to keep them.
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 Posted 05/17/2022  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think the 1858's (as well as the 1859/8 and 1859 N9's) are being hoarded anymore. Now they are being collected by die pairs thanks to the catalogs Bosox published as well as Haxby's 1859 N9 catalog.

I think we are seeing with Canadian Provincial large cent collecting a parallel to what has been going on in the US early large cent collecting for about 100 years. As the die pair collector base grows, demand will grow, supply will shrink and prices will increase. I think we're already seeing this. It takes about 340 die pairs in a collection to get all of the currently known provincial cent die pairs and that number will grow as new die pairs are discovered.

In my opinion, it's a great time to get into collecting these while they're still available.

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 Posted 05/17/2022  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well said, Phil. I have given some of my vanilla '59's to a friend to sell, but with the Haxby numbers included. They are ones where I have more than 4-5 of that die pair. They are selling wonderfully through his collectors.
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 Posted 05/18/2022  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dan-in-crystal-lake to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think Phil310 is on the money here. Once catalog is available for something it gets collected!

I have 54 different die pairs of 1858 plus 35 others. For the 9/8's I have 20 die pairs with an additional 50.

I can't tell you how many '59's I have.

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