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1974-S Silver $1, You Versus PCGS

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 Posted 08/10/2022  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Legend won the auction in Oct. 2021 for $13,513, now this eBay seller wants another $5K. Yahoo!

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 Posted 08/10/2022  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was a dealer from Utah about 20 or 25 years ago that had showcases full of colorful coins like this at shows out West. I don't know whatever happened to him but it sure looks like the type of stuff he had on display. Amazingly all of it for sale!

Smucks like us that send coins in that look like this for grading end up with details grades and/or coins back in body bags!

Big coin dealers and auction houses that send coins like this in get the benefit of doubt, a few winks and a nod and coins back with popped grades!

Simply amazing!
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08/10/2022 10:02 pm
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 Posted 08/10/2022  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Manny things happened with coins high prices and graded by PCGS and NCG
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 Posted 08/10/2022  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheColorofMoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen this kind of color on Franklin halves, Washington quarters, Roosevelt dimes, and other silver Ikes. The palette and hue of (the range and combo of the) colors, along with the surfaces makes me think this toning is real.

As far as the price - well - right now building Ike sets (and proof Lincolns) is a really big thing. As a result stupid prices for finest knowns are in the stratosphere.

Sperber at Legend and Shepherd at Simco have clients building finest known sets.
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08/11/2022 07:24 am
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 Posted 08/11/2022  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TheColorofMoney-You sure like to stir the pot!

I'm onto you now..
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 Posted 08/11/2022  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suspect that this coin was placed of a sheet of chlorinated white paper on a windowsill and exposed to sunlight over a sufficient number of days to achieve the desired result..

Although beautiful, this sort of toning can be a bit distracting for my eyes.
Some may pay extra for the toning, some may pay less..
That makes pricing rather difficult to estimate.

For me,
such a coin best left to the slab grader.
Combination of
1. on screen pictures
2. under the plastic and
3. toning
make grading to be a tough task.
I can understand why PCGS would nevertheless be happy to grade it, with, or without comment.

Are slabs airtight enough to maintain these rather beautiful colors without further change?
Would a cliplock plastic bag help in this regard?

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 Posted 08/11/2022  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Toning like this will never happened. The spectrum is not there


the color progression for toning on this coin does in fact match the spectrum.

1. Yellow (gold)
2. Brown
3. Blue
4. Red
5. Green
7 Purple
8. Black

i had this one at MS67.

TheColorofMoney could you please refrain from posting grade for at least 24hrs
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 Posted 08/11/2022  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A little silver cleaner and that tarnish will come right off!

I see enough hits on the eagle and other distracting marks that 68 seems awfully high. Even 67 is debatable. The colors are probably disguising similar marks on the obverse.
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 Posted 08/11/2022  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheColorofMoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NumismaticsFTW

All I have to do for entertainment is come here and bring along a toned coin with me.

set_69l

The toning is crazy vivid, but it sure does nothing to make that Ike coin more beuatiful.
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 Posted 08/12/2022  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I cannot accept that a ~50 year old coin...and there may be multiples of these...toned in that manner naturally (non-intentional), especially with the improvement, over that same period, of holders/albums being chemically neutral (to an extent). Clearly a win for TPGs and auction houses...and a sad state for our hobby.

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 Posted 08/13/2022  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will give you here an example of an artificially toning:



And also the quote:
Quote:
Here's another example. This is a Morgan dollar sold by a high-volume eBay seller - he cooks these coins up to induce ugly "oil-spill"-style rainbow toning, then sells them for a premium. Notice the angular color swatches, and the abrupt transitions between colors. The colors are almost neon—this silver coin looks like something right out of a psychedelic trip. Stay far away from coins that look like these two, or else you risk overpaying for a junk coin worth no more than bullion value.


http://coinsguide.reidgold.com/toning.html
http://www.gainesvillecoins.com/tip...n-coins.aspx


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08/13/2022 9:45 pm
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 Posted 08/14/2022  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PAN put a small spectrum, me I will put here the full spectrum by stages of the silver coins and also the most complete analyze article about the rainbow coins. I wanted to put also the courses of Ken Potter done about the toning coins and detection of fake one, but at this moment I do not have his answer with his permission


and here the link for the study:
http://www.jhonecash.com/coins/tonedmorgans.asp

Enjoy the lecture and analyze your self the coins before you buy. Be aware that TPG certify at 50-50 correct.
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 Posted 08/14/2022  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of the colors not listed is an even gray, usually found on silver coins more than a century old for higher graded examples, and 50 years of less for lower graded examples.
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 Posted 08/14/2022  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The issue is not "what does the toning look like today", but "what will the toning look like 10 years from now".
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 Posted 08/14/2022  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@NimisEd, if you want to preserve like is you vacuum. If no, will go to the steps. If it is artificially will stay as.
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