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What Type Of Error Is This 1977 D Dime ?

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 Posted 09/23/2022  03:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Intentional damage of some kind,PMD.
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 Posted 09/23/2022  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dreamin_Sqaw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok. So you think the die breaks on the front are nothing to check into ? As well as the design misprint on the back? I can't see how a coin roll machine would take away the letters on reverse or change the imagine. Am I missing something here? If so , please educate?
The opinions here are sometimes totally different from other sites. Newbies like me are easily confused by this. I understand you are simply looking at a pic that may not have the best quality when we post here and that may be something I need to work on. I have coins missing letters , some the full words are missing , as well as some with pic patterns missing. I usually seem to get the same response here. My error , after mint damage ( mine or someone's it seems ) , weather/chemical damage, I have to wonder how every coin I post to learn about here is well, junk. Not to be rude but I think if anyone could post a link with their reply to help us to learn what they say it is would be wonderful. I'm not hunting an easy road for info. I will read any think I'm given to learn. Surely , if you feel strongly that you know the damage then you have either had this issue in your coins or at least seen it and looked for info yourself. You don't need to go find articles to post links , just tell me what to search Google for and I will be looking. Maybe I'm different , but I would love to find articles with other pics to compare. I want to learn all I can.
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 Posted 09/23/2022  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your photos are just O.K. Looks like photos of a monitors' screen?
Here is a link:http://www.error-ref.com/
If you do not like what members here are telling you,you can always send your coins to a TPG like PCGS if you trust in them
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 Posted 09/23/2022  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse was smacked with a cylinder. The impact was so forceful that the obverse cracked. This is post-strike damage.
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 Posted 09/23/2022  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just post strike damage as Mike mentioned. Note the push out on the opposite side. Wrapping machines only scratch the devices, not push the opposite side out like this coin.
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 Posted 09/23/2022  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dreamin_Sqaw,
OK,The two TOP dogs just gave you their opinions...now what?
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 Posted 09/23/2022  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This error is called "user error", it has no extra value. Like posted above you can also send it to get graded.
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 Posted 09/23/2022  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dreamin, this is a good place to learn, there are plenty of prior threads with great info.

In general, any odd coin appearance that can be replicated fairly easily with a few tools is regarded as post mint damage. Start with an undamaged dime, a piece of wood to place it on, a sturdy metal tube, and a big hammer, and anyone can make another coin that looks much like yours.
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 Posted 09/23/2022  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look at what I post here:

http://goccf.com/t/431170

To understand more start with the knowledge of the coins production step by step. This will help you to see differences in coins. After you can pass to others more advanced topics of the coins collecting, and so you will be able to see differences between errors, varieties and the post strikes damages.

Good Luck.
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 Posted 09/23/2022  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is important to learn that not every coin is an error coin. Take sometime to educate yourself as how coins are made. It will make it to easier to spot the unusual variety or error coins you may come across. You could look through thousands and thousands of coins and never find a true error coin or variety. Read and study and learn about coins before you jump in head first. Bonne chance!
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 Posted 09/24/2022  08:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Ok. So you think the die breaks on the front are nothing to check into ?

Those aren't "die cracks", they're just plain old ordinary cracks, caused by metal fatigue. In other words, the coin itself cracked, due to stress placed upon it. This has nothing to do with the dies, because the stressful event happened long after the coin left the mint.

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As well as the design misprint on the back?

There is no "design misprint" on the back. There is a giant ring-shaped dent where something hollow and cylindrical, like a piece of tubing, was pushed into the coin. Again, long after the coin was struck.

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The opinions here are sometimes totally different from other sites. Newbies like me are easily confused by this.

If other sites are saying that a coin like this is some kind of rare and valuable error, then it sounds like those other sites are either clueless, or lying. Facebook coin groups, in particular, are notorious for being an echo-chamber where damaged coins and made-in-the-basement "fake errors" are lauded as rare and valuable errors.

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Not to be rude but I think if anyone could post a link with their reply to help us to learn what they say it is would be wonderful. I'm not hunting an easy road for info. I will read any think I'm given to learn. Surely , if you feel strongly that you know the damage then you have either had this issue in your coins or at least seen it and looked for info yourself. You don't need to go find articles to post links , just tell me what to search Google for and I will be looking.

Sorry, but that's simply not going to work.

The reason is, there really are only a small number of ways coin-making machinery can go wrong, and produce an error. Describing what these errors look like is relatively simple, since they all tend to look very similar. For example, all brockages look much the same: one side of the coin looks perfectly normal, but the other side is a reverse-mirrored-incuse copy of the first side. Describing how a mint error comes about is also relatively simple: the brockage, for example, happens when a coin gets "stuck" to one of the dies, and a second coin (the brockage) is then struck using the first coin as a de-facto die.

We cannot do this for post-mint damage. There are an awful lot more ways that a perfectly normal coin can get damaged, either accidentally or deliberately. There is no way to describe them all. Which means we cannot always tell exactly how "post-mint damage" is given to any one particular damaged coin, but we can say it is damaged, rather than a mint error, simply because it does not fit into any visual category of mint error. In short, if we cannot imagine how an accident in the mint can produce damage like that, then it cannot be a mint error.

Occam's Razor is a useful guide. If there is a simple, non-mint-made explanation for the appearance of a coin, then it is to be assumed correct, rather than a complicated, highly improbable series of events within the Mint.

However, in the particular example of your coin, we do have a reasonable guess as to how it was made. So if you want evidence, simply try the following steps yourself.

- Get a perfectly normal, undamaged dime.
- Get a piece of thick metal pipe. You probably want it long enough so you can comfortably hold it in one hand.
- Get a surface that's firm, but yielding - wood would probably be ideal, but plastic would probably work well too.
- Place the coin on the surface, face-down.
- Hold the piece of metal pipe on top of the coin, so that one end of the pipe is balanced on top of the coin, and the other end of the pipe is sticking straight up in the air.
- Get a really big hammer, and smash it down on the end of the pipe that's sticking up in the air. Try not to injure yourself; if the pipe is too thin or fragile, it might bend or break upon impact.
- If one blow didn't do the trick, try hitting it several times.

Follow this recipe, and you should end up with a damaged coin that looks very much like yours. It might not look exactly the same - the cracking on the obverse might not happen, for example - but it should look close enough. And there is no similar process that might happen within the mint, to create a "mint error" that looks like this.

Meanwhile if you truly wish to educate yourself on mint errors, my best advice is to study up on exactly how coins are made. Know the process inside and out, from making the dies, to making the blank, to punching out the coin, to getting the coin into the bag and shipped off to the bank. Then, the next time you see a weird coin, try and imagine how that coin-making process might have gone wrong in a way that could have created that coin. If you can't - or you need an incredibly improbable series of events to make it happen - then it probably isn't a mint error.

Oh, and one final piece of advice: whenever you see a weird coin, rather than assume it is a mint error and seek validation for it, always assume it isn't a mint error, then try to prove yourself wrong. Because 98% of the time, it's not a mint error. Mint errors are valuable because they're rare, which means the chances of a "weird coin" selected at random from circulation actually being a mint error, is quite low. You'll save yourself a lot of disappointment, and for that 2% of the time when you can't prove yourself wrong and it is a real mint error, you can be pleasantly surprised.
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 Posted 09/24/2022  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF and Sap said it just about perfectly. The only thing I would disagree is I put the chances at 99% not an error. There are thousands of ways to damage a coin.
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 Posted 09/25/2022  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dreamin_Sqaw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John1,. I love the replies from the top two !!
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not being a butt. I just wanna be clear on what I read !!
Thanks to you all
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