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 Posted 10/06/2018  09:19 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Been wanting to pick up this type for a while...

Looks like its from Finns series 5.0

Vaghela Type Gujarat region - 1200-1300 AD 14mm/4.5gr
Stylized head to right with only a nose
Stylized altar...doesn't seem to have a cross in the center?

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 Posted 10/06/2018  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree more abstract than many others in this series, but I'm interested to hear what @finn has to say about it.
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 Posted 10/06/2018  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice one, Paul. In addition to liking the coin itself, I also like seeing an example, in your post, of the practical application of a Finn #, as in: your coin appears to be a "Finn 5.0." Cool.
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 Posted 10/06/2018  5:16 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting coin, I wonder if it an unofficial issue.
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 Posted 10/06/2018  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I recall correctly, Rob Tye (years ago) dubbed these "mushroom head" in his price lists .
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 Posted 10/07/2018  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice and very late! This type doesn't come in a whole lot of variety; the only unambiguous feature being whether or not the coin has eyes (Finn 5.1) or not (5.2) there are some similar coin types that I really am not sure where to put - I believe you posted one a while ago.

For those curious, the attribution to the Vaghelas is only tentative at best, but supported because:

1) The coins are descended from the more common Gadhaiya, but do not add any of the extra junk (fancy noses, eye symbols, letters) found on the Malwa-type Gadhaiya.
2) There is not a lot of variation at all
3) There are no derivatives of this type

The Vaghelas were the last Hindu dynasty of Gujarat, from 1244-1304. They had ruled as the puppet masters of the Chaulukyas for several decades, so the continuation would seem logical, and their 1304 conquest by the Delhi Sultanate would explain the termination of this evolutionary branch.
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 Posted 10/07/2018  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys!
@ Finn ...Thanks Steve for the breakdown and extra info...I don't know if you've noticed but these seem to be selling at a lot more than 5$ now. Luckily I picked this one up cheap.

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I wonder if it an unofficial issue.


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I believe you posted one a while ago.

Yes I did here it is..I think the general concensus then was a possible contempory copy.You can see there is a style/quality difference between this and the OP coin...Paul
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 Posted 10/07/2018  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob L to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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...these seem to be selling at a lot more than 5$ now.


Sometimes I wonder if the inching up of prices and sales of previously underappreciated, esoteric series may be due to the increased attention and promotion those coins may be receiving in public forums like this (in which case Finn deserves a commission on every sale of these), or whether the opposite is true, meaning the increased attention on the boards simply reflects the already growing popularity of these types in the market. Chicken or egg? Kushans sort of paralleled this over the last ten years, I think.
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 Posted 10/07/2018  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The market fluctuates in strange and totally unpredictable ways. I did notice that these were going for crazy prices over the past few months, but have fallen back down to a more reasonable, sub-$10 range. Maybe 6 months ago there was a crazy spike where totally normal (i.e. $10-15) coins were going for $30+... one even hit $75 and I can't explain why anyone bid that high. I personally prefer when fortune works the other way around! This is my personal favorite of the type, a nice bright silver rather than the dull grey usually found. I think I won it for less than $5?



Somewhere I have one that was struck so far off center that the moon is visible above the fire altar - a very rare occurrence for these coins!
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 Posted 12/05/2021  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have been picking away at these late types over the last few months and each was under $5...
The moving, stretching nose type....These are Finn 5.2 as I can't see any eyes..
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 Posted 12/06/2021  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fun pickups!

I have been picking up some of this group as well, although the more I get that are off-center enough to piece together other bits of the die, the more I'm beginning to doubt how I originally had these organized, and the dividing line between end-1.4 and beginning 1.5 is getting much more fuzzy.

What I'm grappling with:

Ribbons seem to be in 3 distinct types -
1) Normal (3 horizontal lines above the S)
2) Semi-Displaced (horizontal lines pushed to the right and S moved up a bit)
3) Displaced (S goes all the way up to the hat; horizontal lines generally not visible)

Eye of course is either there, or it isn't.

I also noticed that there are distinct facial types- those with a more horizontal nasal bridge and the nostril still retained as a dot, and those where the nose is slanted at more of an angle, and the nostril is not present.

Sadly, because most of these show only a small part of the die, it's difficult to judge exactly what combinations of the above exist!
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Am still trying to figure out how you folks can see a head with eyes and a nose....
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 Posted 12/08/2021  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The head shape changes, nostril, lips and chin become detached and eventually merge into the decorative U of dots also the eye disappears but not always....

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