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1995 Canadian Dime Stamped On A 1995 Singapore Cent

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 Posted 01/21/2022  12:12 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coinmojo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I need to know how to find out the potential value of a dime not just stamped on a foreign planchet but a foreign cent that's already been stamped.
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 Posted 01/21/2022  02:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1995 Singapore on your coin are incuse. I think an one cent Singapore was press over the 10 cent. The 10 cent Canada will not fit full design on 1 cent Singapore I have to see if the RCM struck for Singapore in 1995. Probably some one will chime on.

What it is the weight and the diameter?
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 Posted 01/21/2022  04:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
. We will need weight and size.
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 Posted 01/21/2022  07:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think an one cent Singapore was press over the 10 cent.


If a coin was pressed into the 10c, wouldn't the image be in reverse?

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 Posted 01/21/2022  08:32 am  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
10 cents was the overstrike. Interesting.
As for value......unpredictable.....but north of 1k or I would eat it.
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 Posted 01/21/2022  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SelectCoinCanada to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting! It looks legit however there is no indication the RCM ever struck 1-cent coins for Singapore. See link below although it might not be complete...could have been someone having fun at the mint.

http://www.coinscan.com/for/sin.html

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 Posted 01/21/2022  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnnysprawl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So an RCM employee had an already-struck Singapore 1 cent and then fed it in to be struck by Canadian 10 c dies without the collar engaged?
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 Posted 01/21/2022  11:17 am  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mint sport can lead to some interesting stuff.
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 Posted 01/21/2022  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Something about it doesn't look right.
I'd say soft die fabrication.
May be wrong.
Will wait for the expert to chime in.
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 Posted 01/21/2022  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It also looks a little offset to me
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 Posted 01/21/2022  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF

We need the weight and diameter to verify. It might just be me but something doesn't seem right.
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 Posted 01/21/2022  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Singapore cent is 15.9mm diameter and the dime is 18.03mm. We discuss of about 2.13 mm difference which it is to much to have all dime design. The the weight: Singapore is 1.54gr cooper plated zinc and thick 1.1 mm. The dime press was put to strike for Nickel planchet at a thickness of 1.25 mm. .15 mm difference in strike will give a very weak strike. My opinion. Also an simple XRF will tell, zinc is zinc and nickel is nickel.
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 Posted 01/21/2022  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A Singapore cent would fit nicely into the collar of a 10-cent die Silviosi. In fact, without the collar die in contact with the entire planchet, and if a thicker host planchet, it would expand out nicely. Look at Canadian 25c struck on Cu-Ni 5-cent planchets, as examples.

Zimmy has posted one example of a Canadian 1c struck over a foreign coin, on a copper-plated planchet:
http://goccf.com/t/195006

I believe Zonad has a nice 5c overstruck on a foreign copper-plated coin (Barbados?) as well. Sean Isaacs (Alliance Coin and Banknotes) has a 1992 loon dollar overstruck on a Bangladesh Taka. I have a Brazilian coin overstruck on a 1971 Canadian 1-cent. So while quite scarce, these errors do happen.

A photo of the edge would be most helpful. Is it reeded all the way around? I noticed that you are in the US, so this definitely did not come in loose change. Did you acquire it from an error dealer?
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 Posted 01/21/2022  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SPP, Yes could happened, by the examples you give. If no mint employee it is involve, this kind of coins has .001% to be legitim. This coin in this topic is an overstruck. If no one from mint do not put a already struck coin back on the line then it is impossible to be an overstruck. Yes could happened to strike coins on foreign planchet but not overstrikes, and this happened. In 1995 if I am nor wrong was the German line S-Roll, now is B-roll. S come from single. So was three intervenient: one before the press to insure the correct flow of the planchets , the press operator and after the quality operator. So one of them put there an Singapore cent or maybe more.

I see the tread you link, and I know very well the debate at TPG before to be certified. Pass because was not US coin, if was US coin was confiscated by the Agency.
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 Posted 01/22/2022  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In minting and moving around millions of coins at a major production plant, things can happen, even if very remote. Coins can get stuck in hoppers and other things. In fact, it happens at most world mints. The US mint is no exception:

https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/198...ption-071515
https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/fiv...ption-071515
https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/194...ption-071515
https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/-19...ption-071515

Here is another Canadian example:
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/38055407


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