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1923 Lincoln Cent So Old It's Got Wrinkles.

 
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 Posted 05/18/2022  11:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add elliottite to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello, I have this 1923 penny that has strange wrinkles in it. Looks as though the wrinkles are behind the devices as the devices are not affected. Anybody know what would cause this? Thank you and this forum rocks.





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 Posted 05/18/2022  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mrhakfbacon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not a pro so don't take my evaluation seriously, but it looks like post-mint damage. Possible a woodgrain, not sure.
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 Posted 05/18/2022  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is part of the die wear pattern. These will appear behind the devices. Because they are on the fields of the die. The fields of the die are outside part of the die. They die is a negative, the coin is a positive. So what is raised on a coin, is incuse on the die. What is raised on the die, are incuse deep into the die. When a die is polished, the outside part is affected. (the fields) the devices are not affected, until the fields get polished several times. Each polishing removes part of the field:

When the die is polished, the sub devices are the first to go, and also note on the above, the devices are tapered. So the more the field is polished, the shorter and thinner the devices become. Often clashes happen that require a light polishing, but if a Feeder Finger Damage event happens the die has to be polished deeper. This removes more the field and the devices also get affected.

When the die is polished the flow lines that you see are removed. But they some back as the polishing is just a die event. Soon it needs it again, and again more of the fields go away and the devices get thinner.

So what you are seeing on your coin, is like wrinkles to a senior. Part of the die aging process. (But we don't have our wrinkles removed by buffing off or skin) LOL

CoopHome: What are the wrinkles of the fields and why are they behind the devices?
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 Posted 05/18/2022  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elliottite to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks coop, love learning something new everyday. It has become somewhat of a personal goal. Thanks for helping achieve that.
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 Posted 05/18/2022  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been spending more time of explanations lately and adding it to my CoopHome page. So when I need to explain this again, I look up that information and then post the link to that information. Spends up by time and allows me to do this on more comments. I'm glad it helps you. I reached my goal today.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 05/18/2022  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree, Die Deterioration. Nice photography!
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 Posted 05/18/2022  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, yes--die deterioration. Nice example.
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 Posted 05/22/2022  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elliottite to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Nice photography!

Thank you, Coinfrog
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 Posted 05/22/2022  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Extreme die flow lines, somewhat neat.
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