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1909 VDB 1c Matte Proof?

 
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 Posted 05/19/2022  05:14 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ByfrostClover to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I bought a book of wheat pennies last year at auction and to my surprise there was a 1909 s vdb (I'm aware of all the counterfeits)because of that I would never buy one outside of a professional in person.

This 1909 vdb was also in there, and one similar, but that die marker on the reverse, and are those considered die scratches on the obverse in front of Lincoln? The die marker that is a bit questionable is the one under Liberty, I think it's there but my eyes are quite deceiving sometimes. Is there any other identifiers? I appreciate all the help?



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 Posted 05/19/2022  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a 1909 VDB, It's a common coin with millions minted. It's not a matte proof
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 Posted 05/19/2022  07:37 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks mothing like a matte proof to me. I wouldn't even worry about die markers. It's a business strike 1909 VDB.
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 Posted 05/19/2022  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's in really nice condition though. It's worth a 2 by 2 at the very least.
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 Posted 05/19/2022  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely not a matte proof.
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 Posted 05/19/2022  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jakes Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Appears to just be scratches on a business strike & not a matte proof.
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 Posted 05/19/2022  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's just a business strike but is a fairly clean example other than the scratches on the obverse. AU range I'd say.
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 Posted 05/19/2022  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ByfrostClover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry but I've always been taught to pay close attention to the die markers, are they important in identifying a coin or nah? And I'm aware there's no S lol I said the book had one in there, whether its the 09-s vdb is authentic , I have no clue, now to my understanding a coin can have the same die markers but only because they use that specific dye, my memory serves me right the 1883 Morgan was one where they used the branch mint die on business strikes, I want people to understand because sometimes even if you question somebody's reply people take it as an insult and in no way do I mean it like that I'm just generally interested in the knowledge from The Experience collectors that have been around thank you again
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 Posted 05/20/2022  07:02 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm sorry but I've always been taught to pay close attention to the die markers, are they important in identifying a coin or nah?


Die markers can be very important but they are not generally a starting point in identification and attribution. The coin in question looks nothing like a matte proof, having no characteristics of matte proof Lincoln cents. Because of that there is no reason to look for matte proof die markers.

As always ymmv.
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 Posted 05/20/2022  10:14 am  Show Profile   Check BadThad's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BH is correct, you only look at die markers for confirmation, not the starting point. This is a regular business strike.
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 Posted 05/20/2022  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Check jacrispies's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On matte proof Lincoln cents, the biggest keys are full square rims and a sharp strike. This coin has neither. Take a look at some examples online, they are easy to spot once you know what to look for.
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