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1859 Cent MS62 R & B. Look Closely. Is This A Doubled 9 In The Date?

 
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 Posted 06/30/2022  10:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add yontan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The base of the 9 correlates closely with the picture on page 287 of the variety guide. The inner portion of the 9, however, shows the same doubling. What are your thoughts? I have put plenty of pictures , of the full size coin as well as close ups of the 9. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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07/01/2022 11:54 am
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 Posted 06/30/2022  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Check 1960NYGiants's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1960NYGiants to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you mean page 287 of the 2011 Charlton, then look again, the vine at leaf two has a clean break that has not been repaired.

Post enlargements of leaf 9, 11 and 12.
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 Posted 07/01/2022  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yontan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the thoughts. I already know this is not the exact same coin as on page 287, but merely pointing out the similarity of the doubling. My question is whether or not this qualifies as doubling, or is it merely die movement, etc.?
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 Posted 07/01/2022  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's hard to find a '59 WITHOUT some doubling in the date. The coins were struck using the matrix's from the 1858's to make the dies. The dies came out with just the 185 numerals there and the 9's were all hand-punched into the die. Since it took two 2-4 whacks with the hammer and punch to finish any of the dies to the depth needed and they were not done singly all the way through; the guy doing the work had a hard time making each whack on top of the partially done one. My understanding is that before each whack, the planchet was softened(annealed) and the punch hardened(chilled) to get the impression as as deep as possible. So, yes, your coin is doubled, but then so were the 9 million+ others somewhere. The doublings with the most offset are usually worth a premium, and those with the most value had the fewest number of coins struck before the die broke or cracked too bad.
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07/02/2022 12:19 pm
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 Posted 07/02/2022  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yontan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Okiecoiner. I thought pretty much the same thing. I was struck by the fact that this is a nice BU coin, and I have not ever seen one of my BU's with the doubling, and it seems pretty clear, so I'll consider this a win. Thanks again.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a beautiful coin yontan!

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It's hard to find a '59 WITHOUT some doubling in the date.

Okiecoiner is right about that. Uncirculated coins will often show doubling where none is evident on a lower grade coin. I believe your coin is Haxby obverse 32 and reverse G3.
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 Posted 07/05/2022  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yontan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, thank you Phil for the extra info. Much appreciated.
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 Posted 07/07/2022  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LandonM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a nice 62.
ICCS usually crosses over pretty strong with the other TPGs (as long as it doesn't have defects ICCS tends to overlook that other TPGs will details-grade)

I'd wager a silver dime that crosses over to NGC/PCGS as a 63, with PCGS being a bit looser on their Canadian grading standards.
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07/07/2022 7:15 pm
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