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1957 D Lincoln Cent - Die Clash Maybe?

 
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 Posted 07/02/2022  06:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Camrdaddy19 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can I get some help with this? Not sure what I'm looking at but the arrows are pointing to raised areas. There is some doubling inside the 9 but I'm assuming it's just hub doubling. Don't mind the gigantic scratch on the lower east side edge. Thanks for looking!






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 Posted 07/02/2022  07:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@cam, thank you for adding those arrows as it makes it super clear what you are seeing. Those are not typical places to see a die clash, but you should check with an overlay to confirm. More likely is that these are die dents, but I'm interested to see what others think about this.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
those look like small circulation hits moving the metal a tiny bit. How could I ignore that huge ugly scratch? it is very unsightly. I see nothing worthy to report that would add extra value here.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An overlay would help but I agree it looks like shifted metal from circulation hits, that huge scratch near the rim is a bit if an eye sore.
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 Posted 07/02/2022  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure what it is. Die gouge or die dent maybe?
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 Posted 07/02/2022  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaRukus660 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 07/03/2022  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think Dearborn has it correct by calling the issue circulation hits. I too don't see a die clash. Value: 3 cents, the wholesale value of wheaties.
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 Posted 07/03/2022  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the 7th image, you can see the coin scratch best. You can see the incuse mark on the coin. With that damage, what ever else the coin may have, it is cancelled by the damage on that area. Making it a cull coin.
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 Posted 07/03/2022  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The blue arrows are where a mint employee got a little too carried away with the die polisher. I have seen this same coin in Unc examples.
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 Posted 07/10/2022  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Camrdaddy19 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I take it yall don't like arrows on photos. Duly noted. Also, I get that the scratch voids any potential premium, I was simply asking about the other marks. Thanks for the info.
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 Posted 07/10/2022  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Arrows are OK, but include a side by side without them so we know what you are looking at on the coin coin. Below the '5' looks like die wear. Above northwest of the '5' is not the direction of die wear. If it this is all raised, then it could be a die scratch. But if the metal on any of that area is incuse, it maybe moved metal from coin contact/intentional damage. That is what is going on in my head. If incuse area on the area in question it could be moved metal. Think like a die? The items raised on a coin are incuse on the die. The normal devices on the coin are mirrored on the die. If there is a removal of metal off of the die on the fields, it will show up as a raised area on the coin. If the fields are showing an incuse mark, that is damage to the coin. 99% of incuse marks into a coin are damage to the coin. From the images I can't tell for sure what the fields around the '5' look like. If there is a slight incuse mark on that area, then it is damage. (moved metal that was normally there, but pushed aside by damage) Thus thinking like a die, will help you see if it could be die damage or coin damage.

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 Posted 07/10/2022  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I was simply asking about the other marks
I would agree with others that have said they are die dents or die scratches, they are obviously raised. It's good to ask and to know, regardless of the rest of the condition of the coin, these things will teach you about the minting process and future finds.
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 Posted 07/10/2022  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Makescents that these are die dents or gouges and are raised on the coin.
Something seems to be going on with the top of the 7 as well.
(They aren't hits or recessed.)



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