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1909-S Indian Cent - Thoughts On Authenticity And Grade.

 
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 Posted 08/15/2022  1:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Not my coin or my pics....

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 Posted 08/15/2022  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PlumCrazy814 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With what little I know about these; it looks legit to me. I was comparing it to an 1863 and noted the feathers differ as to where they point, most notably at the "M" in America but I did see some on ebay with similar alignment of the feathers as the one posted in this topic.
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 Posted 08/15/2022  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does not look genuine to me.
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 Posted 08/15/2022  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Overall color and detail are red flags, although I can't say it is 100% counterfeit. I would not feel comfortable purchasing this coin for myself.
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 Posted 08/15/2022  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That S looks wrong.

I vote Fake.
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 Posted 08/15/2022  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not the sharpest pics, but I agree the S looks a little thick, and the date seems set too high. I lean towards counterfeit.
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 Posted 08/15/2022  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fat rounded letters and numbers, bottom of STATES mostly missing, broken bottom of E in STATES, top of R in AMERICA missing, large fat rotated mint mark looks added to a Philly die to me. I vote fake.
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 Posted 08/15/2022  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgfindring to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mouth looks wrong to me, but I have zero confidence in saying yay or nay.
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 Posted 08/15/2022  11:11 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say XF and questionable authenticity.
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 Posted 08/16/2022  02:26 am  Show Profile   Check paralyse's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My vote is not genuine

Mintmark should have tapered slender curves and double serifs, and it is tilted right, that's not the case on a genuine example (which has a slight left tilt) -- this is the most egregious reverse red flag

Left base of 1 in date should be directly over center of gap after 1st denticle below point of bust

Base of last 9 is too high compared to the adjacent 0 -- should be lower -- the center hole of the 9 is too small and the ball of the base of the 9 is too close to the lower curve (should be more open)

Curve of the mouth is wrong creating a wicked looking scowl/frown that is not consistent with a real example (to me this is the most egregious obverse red flag)

The weakness across from STAT and continuing into the headband is not something I have seen

I compared to EDS and LDS examples and cannot find a match for the broken lettering
By way of comparison on an M-LDS example there are crumbling denticles at K2 on the obverse and two polished die gouges left of the O in OF

I have not personally seen a 1909-S with a rotated reverse die but one might exist.

Would strongly recommend authentication, but the overall look of this coin is just wrong.
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 Posted 08/16/2022  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
dont even need to respond to this one. paralyse covered about everything wrong
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