Grade And Variety Confirmation Of Two 1920 Australian Pennies

Hi all,


Looking for a grade on these two pennies, and confirmation or otherwise of the variety.

First is, I think, a 1920 Dot under bottom scroll, masquerading as a no dot. There is a neatly placed dent obscuring any dot there ( or it could be die filled. I think the curved base of the reverse legend makes it a DUBS. Can anyone confirm or otherwise, and hazard a guess of the grading?




Second is, I think, a 1920 dot above bottom scroll, pretty sure it is a dot and not another feature. again can anyone confirm or otherwise and take a guess at a grading?




Many thanks in advance tt