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1998 1c Double Indents With Partial Collar?

 
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 Posted 12/09/2022  03:34 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I'm not sure on this one as it looks broadstruck too. The edge photo shows the indent area to the left while the right side is showing a partial collar effect.





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 Posted 12/09/2022  04:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 12/09/2022  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coin, what is the diameter of the non-double struck region?
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 Posted 12/09/2022  10:34 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's quite interesting. The diameter for the outer part seems fine for a cent indent, but the bit toward the center seems to have too small a diameter. Almost looks like the coin was indented by a double struck coin that was about 90% off.
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 Posted 12/09/2022  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah TB, that upper part of the indents has an oddly smaller diameter. I guess it could have wiped out design elements too. The reverse almost appears double struck but mostly seems stretched like in broadstruck errors, note the lettering in AMERICA (which I find has nice appeal). The rim seems to have a tilted collar element to it which I don't understand being associated with a broadstrike.

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 Posted 12/09/2022  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm... Looks like there are secondary design elements above IGWT as well.

How about this scenario:
-the planchet is struck normally but is not fully ejected and ends up on the collar.
-the next planchet can't seat properly and ends up on the bottom of this coin which is resting on the collar
-the next strike places the indent, the secondary design elements, and the partial collar on this coin.

(It seems like the secondary design elements would be most evident where the pressure was the lowest during the second strike.)

Just a thought.
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 Posted 12/09/2022  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was asked to provide my opinion. At the very least, it's a partial collar error with an indent. It could also be a close double strike with a stationary indent on both strikes. The first strike would most likely have had a partial collar error while the second strike may have been completely out-of-collar. However, there isn't sufficient evidence to apply the more complex diagnosis. I always opt for the simplest, most conservative scenario.
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Thanks Mike, how about the indent being a smaller diameter (from what I see anyways) than a planchet, Is that common?
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It's very common for the radius of an indent or partial brockage to be much smaller than that of the coin. The pressure of the strike stretches out the struck tab.
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