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 Posted 02/01/2023  10:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I saw one in my local coin shop today. Raw, edge fractured, 4.3g weight. The price was $325. The coin looked like gold plating over a very pale gold-ish core. The salesman said that it was electrum, but that the alloy was poorly made. I can only guess that it is very low gold content - 8K or less.

I'm not familiar with gold dinars at all. What was I looking at? Was it fairly priced?

Oh darn. Could a mod move this to ancients?
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 Posted 02/01/2023  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Oh darn. Could a mod move this to ancients?

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As to your basic quesiton, I'm afraid we might need a little more information. Which dinars are we talking about? You've asked to move it to Ancients so I'm assuming you mean early Islamic Caliphate dinars and not (for example) Yugoslavian dinars.

The weight and fineness of gold in the dinar was set by Sharia law, very early in the Islamic period; this helped stabilize the dinar, as rulers were reluctant to directly contradict Sharia law in their coinage, so they changed little compared to Byzantine gold coins over the same time period. Dinars were never struck in electrum, to my knowledge. By the time Islamic gold coins started to become debased, they weren't calling them "dinars" any more.

If you have an Umayyad or Abbasid dinar that looks way too silvery to be 22k gold, then I suspect it's not genuine. Might be a contemporary fake, might be modern, but genuine early Islamic can be ruled out.
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 Posted 02/01/2023  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It had this general appearance Sap. My guess is that it is not early. I don't plan on going back to the shop for a while. They didn't have much in stock.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3249290246...9SR7ji94XCYQ

In a group of silver ancients it stuck out as having a gold-ish color. It only caught my eye because I had been browsing CNG's current Islamic auction. They list a couple of late electrum dinars (Murad III) that match the pale appearance of the one I saw today. The bulk of their listed dinars have a much more uniform golden appearance.
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 Posted 02/02/2023  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I read your initial post, "Seljuq" was the first thing that came to mind. According to Steve Album's 'Checkist', some have a gold content as low as 10-15%. There is debased gold of other dynasties as well. Photos would would be helpful, particularly if they are clear enough to read the legends. Regarding price, gold spot is so high these days that common fine gold types from the same era can sometimes be had for not much more than bullion value. $325 may be 'optimistic' but it's really hard to say without a better idea of exactly what you've come across.
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Thanks Kushanshah. I won't be buying this dinar, though I might bid in the current CNG auction. They're beautiful coins.
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