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 Posted 06/29/2018  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm beginning to think that this is one of those terms that differ between U.S. and Canadian collectors.

It seems the U.S. collectors refer to it as a "retained cud" while the Canadian collectors refer to it as a "retained broken die".

Since I'm a U.S. collector of Canadian cents, I'm a little confused. I have to say that "retained broken die" actually sounds more accurate, since it is part of the die that is "retained" and the "cud" or "retained cud" is what appears on the coin as a result.

I would welcome any comments as to which of these terms you like and why.

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 Posted 06/29/2018  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Since I'm a U.S. collector of Canadian cents, I'm a little confused. I have to say that "retained broken die" actually sounds more accurate, since it is part of the die that is "retained" and the "cud" or "retained cud" is what appears on the coin as a result."

I would agree with this statement.
I have always believed that a cud is the result of a broken die and created when the coin is struck.
If the broken die is retained then there is no cud produced once the retained portion shifts enough and moves to a different level then the rest of the die then a cud will be produced.
To me the term retained cud doesn't make any sense and is misleading to what actually happens, you can retain a broken die in a position to create a cud or the piece can be dislodged completely and produce a cud but I would never call either a retained cud.
Just my opinion.

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 Posted 06/30/2018  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1859 Canada
1 cent.

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 Posted 06/30/2018  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a nice one Dorado! It's a very late state of the I3 reverse die. Haxby die pair PC59-412.

Thanks for sharing it!
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 Posted 11/28/2019  09:01 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I picked this one up in October, from a dealer in southern Ontario. This one is now my oldest small cent error coin. A nice die break with cud, in a decent AU grade.

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 Posted 11/28/2019  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a fantastic cud Roger, and on the obverse side! Do you know if large cuds are more often seen on the obverse or reverse on small cents?
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 Posted 01/25/2020  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is one I acquired last year, and finally got around to photographing.





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 Posted 01/25/2020  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Check nickelsguy's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
lol thought you lost it!
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 Posted 01/28/2020  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dollar 1935 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is two cuds I sadly don't own :

1 cent 1908 :
https://www.cdncoin.com/product-p/20120620453.htm

And a 1920 5 cents : at least one other known here :http://goccf.com/t/228320&SearchTerms=1920,cud
I got last year an exemple of the same obverse die but on a early stage ; the die crack is really small.

and the coin :

https://www.cdncoin.com/product-p/2...05_e1912d72d

SPP Ottawa : I always wondered if those retained broken die on F of FIVE ended in cud, glad to finally see one ! Thank you for sharing that little gem
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 Posted 01/28/2020  07:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had no idea that cuds or retained broken dies were worth anything. Are those asking prices legit for the NGC graded coins from the vendor. I have a number of Vickies with "cuds" that I thought were worthless.
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 Posted 04/15/2020  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another recent aquisition, a George V 1-cent, 1929 die break with cud.




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 Posted 04/15/2020  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice Cud SPP-Ottawa!
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 Posted 04/16/2020  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a beauty!

That cud turned a low 9 into a high 9.
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 Posted 10/07/2020  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ooh... Dollar 1935 is going to love this one (or hate me for posting it)!

This is a 1920 silver 5c with a die break and cud. This one is different than the one for sale with Canadian Coin & Currency.

https://www.cdncoin.com/product-p/2...05_d1d55c399

There is even a bit of weakness on the opposing reverse side in the denticles.



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 Posted 10/08/2020  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice cud SPP-Ottawa. Can still see the top of the D on that one. I guess that would technically be called a "retained broken die" based on earlier comments?

Do you see many cuds on silver 5 cents or are they as hard to find as on the cents?
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