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How Far Back Can We Go? Fifth Edition! We Need - 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864) -

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 Posted 05/22/2021  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it may be time to give up.

Kind of looking for a needle in a haystack.

Oh wait I have a pile of 1460 coins under my mattress.

Meanwhile, J Buck, the 100k milestone is looming!
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 Posted 05/22/2021  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think it may be time to give up.

Kind of looking for a needle in a haystack.
...I mean, yes, it's not that likely, but who knows. 1460 European is hard, but Islamic 864 AH coins do show up every so often [EDIT: oh, here's one... for some reason the seller decided that 864 AH = 1459 AD], and IIRC there's a few single-year-type options as well.

Still sad we lost @louie, who did have 1460. Hadn't seen @pepactonius for a while either, so it will probably take a few weeks (months?) extra while the gaps get patched up.

I have an Islamic coin (acquired a few months ago) with a probable date in the 1450s (1452, IIRC); will hopefully remember to post it for ID confirmation in a while. Not that we're likely to get to 1452 anytime soon, admittedly.
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 Posted 05/22/2021  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been poking around in Italian city-states where some undated coins coins can be attributed to a specific year by the mintmaster's "sigile" or other means, but haven't found anything for 1460 in either Venice or Florence.

I have, however, picked up 1471 (Duchy of Ferrara), 1482 and 1484 (Florence) this way.
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 Posted 05/22/2021  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Not that we're likely to get to 1452 anytime soon


Agreed, but I can help get us close. Once we get past 1460, my next hole is 1453 AD.
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 Posted 05/22/2021  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe when we get stuck on the 6th edition, we start a new thread on the Ancient and Medieval Subforum "Farther Back than 1460 Despite Some Gaps."
It would be fun to see all the dated/datable coins earlier in the 1400s, and into the 14th century, etc.
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It would be fun to see all the dated/datable coins earlier in the 1400s, and into the 14th century, etc.
I personally was envisioning it as a set of threads (one per century, perhaps, though maybe one per 3 or 5 centuries might be better) analogous [modulo some minor rule changes to match this thread's dating rules] to the old How Well Can We Cover The First Century.

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Once we get past 1460, my next hole is 1453 AD.
...wow, really? I didn't know we had anything in the 1457-51 range.
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That could be fun--perhaps in the upcoming 7th Edition of HFBWCG, @jbuck could limit it to the years present back to 1600 AD and then we "claim" earlier centuries for one or more separate threads? I think that is what you guys are suggesting.
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 Posted 05/23/2021  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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perhaps in the upcoming 7th Edition of HFBWCG, @jbuck could limit it to the years present back to 1600 AD
...and now I feel sad that I suggested the supplementary threads in the first place. Definitely didn't intend that. If this actually officially happens I'm likely to end up abandoning the game entirely.
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 Posted 05/24/2021  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If this actually officially happens I'm likely to end up abandoning the game entirely.
Do not fret. I intend to continue the format in the seventh edition with no hard stops.


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Maybe when we get stuck on the 6th edition, we start a new thread on the Ancient and Medieval Subforum "Farther Back than 1460 Despite Some Gaps."
There are already topics in the Ancient forum that press further back with different rules...

http://goccf.com/t/195985
http://goccf.com/t/306045
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 Posted 05/24/2021  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good ideas, as my collection has blown up since the 6th edition started last year. Like many colectors my collection is heavy on the 1900s and later 1800s and thins out earlier, generally dying off in the 1600s, although I have a few ancients including a 4th century BC Carthaginian tetra.

Perhaps too as the last edition was heavily saturated with USA coins until 1787, we should have 2 threads, one for USA and one for the rest of the world.
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 Posted 05/24/2021  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Like many colectors my collection is heavy on the 1900s and later 1800s and thins out earlier, generally dying off in the 1600s
I suspect that's pretty typical, yes. I've personally been actively trying to fix my (19th and) 18th century OFEY gaps (though 1844 still evades me, ugh), but even so I don't have a lot of 17th century dates (though I've been working on it), and hardly any 16th century dates.

My next few dates as of the current state of the 6th edition: 1522, 1521, 1517, 1513, 1452?, then nothing until at least the late 14th century.

(To an extent, it's my 14th century Golden Horde coins that I was thinking of when I proposed the new threads for the Ancients subforum. I know of the decade topics, but they're a different thing; I wanted a topic where people could share their Islamic/Byzantine/Sassanian dated coins, without necessarily having to worry about covering all the dates or even all the decades. [Or for that matter about showing up on the exact right day.]
In other words, basically something like the 1st century topic I linked, except with a different date conversion system, and covering a different [and probably larger] time period.
That said, I'm not sure if they should go by 3 or 5 centuries per thread. Possibly even 2 or 4, covering 1-1600 instead of 1-1500.)
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 Posted 06/21/2021  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Sixth is closing in on the 15th Century. Meanwhile, the Fifth still needs a 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864).

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 Posted 06/21/2021  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That said, I'm not sure if they should go by 3 or 5 centuries per thread. Possibly even 2 or 4, covering 1-1600 instead of 1-1500.)


How about:
- 5 centuries per thread (1499-1000, 999-500, etc). Or maybe the first one is 1599-1100, etc as suggested by @j1m.
- one week per decade, so each thread lasts a year. Catch up is allowed if late by one decade (other ideas?), since the point is to get some coins out here that we haven't seen before, or haven't seen in a while.
- we differentiate from the Decade thread by keeping the date range for the coin narrower; up to 3 yrs? (5 yrs?)
- and we differentiate from both the Decade thread and How Far Back by keeping moving whether we get a contribution or not.

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 Posted 06/21/2021  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some comments/suggestions from me...

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5 centuries per thread (1499-1000, 999-500, etc). Or maybe the first one is 1599-1100, etc as suggested by @j1m.
1600-1101, you mean; there is no year 0.

I suppose that works; there are very few narrowly dated coins prior to 400 BC (in fact we might want a cut-off partway through the 4th century BC), and having a thread for 600-101 AD instead of 500-1 AD avoids the mildly problematic situation of a thread where approximately nothing gets posted in its first two months or so (instead the void gets moved later, when some Byzantine/Sassanian cons would already have been posted).

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one week per decade, so each thread lasts a year


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Catch up is allowed if late by one decade (other ideas?), since the point is to get some coins out here that we haven't seen before, or haven't seen in a while.
My suggestion is that catch-up is allowed within any point of the thread in cases where someone has a coin with a 1 year (or less) range from a year that hadn't been previously posted as such, to maximize the amount of single years.

Other than that, either one or two decades of catch-up seems reasonable.

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we differentiate from the Decade thread by keeping the date range for the coin narrower; up to 3 yrs? (5 yrs?)
The suggestion in the other thread was that we allow any date range, even if over a decade, but post the coin on the earliest year of said range. This would allow some posting in areas where narrowly dated coins are scarce.

I'm not actually sure which direction is better. There will always be a problem of when to post coins that fall across multiple years and/or multiple decades (especially if the later part is also the larger one).

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and we differentiate from both the Decade thread and How Far Back by keeping moving whether we get a contribution or not.
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 Posted 08/27/2021  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Sixth Edition is moving again and gaining ground!

There is about a month left to get this one deeper...

We Need a coin from 1460 C. E. (A. H. 864)
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