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1938 Crown Help With Grade And Authenticity Please. Your Thoughts

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 Posted 04/26/2020  04:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with all the above, except anyone who would waste time grading a fake. UNC fake, VF fake, Fair fake its all still a fake.

Fake - the horizontal streaks.
Weak striking and the K in KG is missing the bottom left stem.

A good fake though and its 2 grams too light, a coin in F - Vf would be 0.5 of a gram lighter at most.

Some Chinese faking operations, have sanders, grinders and drums which rattle newly made blanks around to simulate wear.

I would wager money that its not made out of silver either.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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 Posted 04/26/2020  06:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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except anyone who would waste time grading a fake. UNC fake, VF fake, Fair fake its all still a fake.


I don't agree with Princetane.

Grading is a skill which can (and should) be learned by all numismatists.

I find it enjoyable if sometimes very challenging. Apart from the pleasure, there is the added benefit that it can help you make better purchases. There is no harm in practising on fakes and I don't think it's wasted time.

Also, if you often see slabbed coins, you'll soon learn which are overgraded.

I don't like slabbed coins and I mentally mark them down a grade if I see them in auction, ie, I treat a slabbed EF as real VF, a a slabbed VF as real F and I've noticed that several of the London auctioneers give both the slabbed grade and what they feel the real grade is.
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 Posted 04/26/2020  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pertinax - of course

But I would flex my skills on real coins.

If we need to be technical - that fake would grade bare VF if it was real.
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 Posted 05/28/2020  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add predecimalcoll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just read this topic and I am interested in the same opinion about this crown from 1937 (photos) I need an idea of how good it is for selling



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 Posted 05/28/2020  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I just read this topic and I am interested in the same opinion about this crown from 1937 (photos) I need an idea of how good it is for selling
Hi predecimalcoll, It would be in your best interests to start a new topic for your coin. That way all responses for your query will be separate.
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 Posted 02/08/2021  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AIDAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 05/14/2021  06:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Think I just bought a real one!!!




Going by the check list, it sails past and the dealer is very reputable and would refund my money in a heartbeat if it wasn't.
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 Posted 05/14/2021  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, that is a genuine '38 crown, no issues such as cleaning/hairlines and borderline Unc (would grade AU58 at the minimum) and is better than most Unc examples as the orb is well struck and undamaged. It is from the most common die pair (one pair made about 90% of all the '38 crowns with the other 4 being quite scarce).
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 Posted 05/14/2021  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes,nice Coin.
Also on some of the latest fakes the Kings mouth is open/ajar more than the genuine egs.and some of the detail in the hair is vague.
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 Posted 05/15/2021  02:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably best to start a new thread.
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 Posted 05/15/2021  04:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought of that, but one coin is not enough to start a whole new thread and I thought it may be good to show mine next to the fake one, so anyone else buying 1938 or 1937 crowns can get some idea of what to expect.

We could make this a Crown sticky, anyone with an Australian crown should show it on this thread!
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 Posted 05/17/2021  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I thought it may be good to show mine next to the fake one, so anyone else buying 1938 or 1937 crowns can get some idea of what to expect.
I agree. It is always a good idea to have at least one or more examples of an authentic item when discussing authenticity.
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