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St Gaudens Double Eagle - Fake?

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 Posted 09/15/2020  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stgaudens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Pacificoin I'm wearing the gloves because I don't like fingerprints ;)

Should I send the coin for grading? From my research, a 1924 MS 65 double eagle is worth a lot more than the 5% over spot I paid...
What is a realistic price for such a coin?

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 Posted 09/15/2020  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks good from this angle.
I agree with other estimates.

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 Posted 09/15/2020  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks genuine and possibly Gem BU
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 Posted 09/15/2020  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks real, does it weigh okay? I would say MS64+ to 65 for me as well, a really nice looking example, with great luster. As Pacificoin said a common date in European bank stashes. Dealer Fred Weinberg used to make the trip monthly to pick up literally 100's of them at a time from the Swiss bankers in the 1970-80's. He has some great stories to tell and hope he writes a book someday.

GrapeCollects - That 1933 isn't all that nice looking, most decent Saint's would probably look better side by side against it (the legal one anyways not so sure how all the Langboard examples stack up). It is rare though other than that it's not a very good looking Saint overall. I was very unimpressed when I finally got to see it myself, rarity not withstanding, it just looked like an average mid grade bullion Saint to me.


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 Posted 09/15/2020  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That 1933 isn't all that nice looking


You're not wrong, it's not all that impressive in terms of eye appeal, but an impressive coin in different regards.


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not so sure how all the Langboard examples stack up


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 Posted 09/16/2020  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
solid MS65. coin should probably be slabbed to protect the surfaces
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 Posted 09/16/2020  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stgaudens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your estimates! I'm now thinking about submitting the coin to NGC or PCGS but the problem is that I live in Germany... does anyone now how it works?
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 Posted 09/16/2020  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 09/16/2020  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NGC has an office in Munich, at least according to their list https://www.NGCcoin.com/contact/
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 Posted 09/17/2020  04:26 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure if it works in Germany, but if you are an ANA member let NGC know this, ANA members are allowed to do direct submissions without needing to join their collectors club for an additional fee. At least that is true in the United States, as they are the ANA Official Grading Company. Might save you some serious money on a single submission.

https://www.NGCcoin.com/ana-welcome/

Best to contact them first to see if the ANA deal applies to German submissions.
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 Posted 09/17/2020  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stgaudens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Today, I've been reading a lot about detecting st gaudens fakes, and then I've studied the coin using x8 magnifying glasses. I found a few spots that are a somewhat suspicious: weak edge lettering (especially the word pluribus, as you can see in the video), potential toolmarks etc....

I'm looking forward to hearing your opinions!

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 Posted 09/17/2020  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weakness at the edges of devices is very common on gold pieces, purely due to the soft nature of the metal itself. Without a doubt your coin is genuine.
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 Posted 09/17/2020  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stgaudens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok that's nice to hear, but what about the damage between the e and r in liberty? (seconds 16-22 of the video). I have not seen something like that on any other st gaudens double eagle
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 Posted 09/17/2020  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a quick photo from the old 1980's ANA Counterfeit Detection book used at the Summer Seminars.

1924 St. Gaudens Genuine:



Not all genuine 1924 have this but those that do are probably real.

Stgaudens I can send you a pdf paper on the 1924 showing color photos of known counterfeit die markers, but you have email turned off, send me an email and I will happily shoot you a copy ASAP. Has some good pick up points to check easily for the common counterfeit 1924.
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09/17/2020 11:54 pm
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 Posted 09/18/2020  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stgaudens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@westcoin: I can't send you an email because I'm a new member, but you can now send me an email as I've changed the settings
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09/18/2020 4:24 pm
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