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Three Cent Silver (3CS) Prices And Questionable Color Schemes

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 Posted 10/17/2020  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dieuwer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would be interesting if someone was willing to submit his/her toned coin for non-destructive analysis and get a composition map of the surface of the toned coin. An example would be to submit the coin for SEM-EDX or XRF analysis.

Here is an interesting paper on surface color analysis using EDS on a Saudi Arabia coin hoard: https://www.researchgate.net/public...conservation
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 Posted 10/17/2020  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Check Yokozuna's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF!

Here's a detail from a 1992 Silver Eagle error coin. The colors you see formed over the last 38 years with the coin in an ANACS slab. I have no idea what was on the coin or if it might have been something in the grease (the coin has a large strike through) that caused the error. It's the only toned ASE that I have.

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The first US coin motto was found on a 1792 half disme and read: "LIB (erty) PAR (ent) OF SCIENCE & INDUSTRY"

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 Posted 10/17/2020  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dieuwer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The green drab might be PVC damage?
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 Posted 10/17/2020  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you search for toned American Silver Eagles on eBay (which obviously are .999 fine), there are numerous examples of straight graded blue and green toned coins. I don't know the chemistry behind it, but perhaps it's an environmental contaminant on the surface that allows the blue/green color to appear. Certainly classic US coins contain enough copper to explain the toning.
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 Posted 10/17/2020  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Check Lancek's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Lancek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Plenty of artificially toned Morgans. For some reason that has been a hot button for certain collectors. The artificial stuff generally tones too bright of colors to look real.

I have a 78 Ike that has ver slight rainbow toning. Of course no silver in that.

But back to Three Cent Silvers. There weren't many of them made. Especially in the later years. And these were in and out of peoples pockets like other small change. They are thin, and silver isn't very strong. Many get bent. Or pretty dinged up. So finding a nice AU example is tough, therefore expensive.

I do think they have a tendency to tone some pretty colors. Not sure why you see that more in the series than say half dimes. But you do. I've never seen one that I thought was artificially toned. I have an AU example with a very light rainbow toning on the back.
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 Posted 10/17/2020  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dieuwer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had a look at the three different "types" of Three Cent Silvers and I believe I like the last type best. It seems to have the largest, clearest star of the three which is neat.
As the last poster mentioned, apparently not many made in type 3. I guess I just have to pony up the money.
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 Posted 10/17/2020  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually the rarest and most expensive is the Type 2. Type 1 and Type 3 are both common and affordable in mint state. Try finding a problem free MS Type 2 for under $1000
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1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
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 Posted 10/17/2020  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rainbow colors are possible with toned silver coins.
The reason why delicate blues and greens exist has to to with color layers being so extremely thin (at molecule size !)
that normally black sulfides and oxides set up color interference in the same way as an oil slick does on water.

As such, rainbow coloring is extremely delicate.
Thus being so, it is also unstable over time in terms of color permanency. For this reason, it is absolutely essential that coins with beautiful rainbow toning are stored in an airtight environment to maintain the beautiful appearance as long as possible.

After it is all said and done, toning and patination is just another form of surface corrosion that is expressed in a euphamistic way. Good deep and even patination can protect the meatal underneath to enhance appearance as well as value.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


As an aside, with a high MS silver coin, I prefer blast white, not due to appearance, but because that is closest to the condition when it first emerged from the coining press.
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 Posted 10/17/2020  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dieuwer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure what is "affordable" to GrapeCollects, but it seems AU varieties of type 3 run in the several hundreds of dollars.
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 Posted 10/17/2020  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Check GrapeCollects's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am not sure what is "affordable" to GrapeCollects


Depends on the series. If I wanted a mint state draped bust coin I'd go with the half, that runs around 8k or so, which given the rarity of bust coins overall, and the conditional rarity attached is quite affordable and reasonable. Especially when the other denominations in the same grade start at 30k. In the context of 3CS I have no issue spending a few hundred on a mint state example, given the low overall mintages and survival rates I actually think the 3CS is undervalued in MS by the current market.
My best finds: 1999-WAM:http://goccf.com/t/332161 1988-RDV-6:http://goccf.com/t/335954#2873459 1986-Off-center: http://goccf.com/t/335952
1999 WAM #2:http://goccf.com/t/338710&whichpage=1
1981 Double Struck In Collar: http://goccf.com/t/350199&whichpage=1
ANA id: 3194067
My Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/236574/
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 Posted 10/17/2020  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dieuwer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, so far I have no luck locating a nice, sharp example on eBay for a reasonable price. Especially those touted as "Civil War issue!" go for ridiculous high prices. I just checked Heritage and it seems to offer many more better quality specimens for similar prices as eBay.

My feeling is eBay has gone downhill with respect to quality offerings. Also locating high quality Guldens (my other focus) is a problem with overpriced, low quality coins galore.
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 Posted 10/18/2020  06:22 am  Show Profile   Check Yokozuna's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It seems to me that eBay is slowly turning into Etsy because they no longer have a Community Standards watchdog group. Anything goes.
The first US coin motto was found on a 1792 half disme and read: "LIB (erty) PAR (ent) OF SCIENCE & INDUSTRY"

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 Posted 10/18/2020  09:17 am  Show Profile   Check Lancek's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Lancek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It also might be worth checking out Great Collections. They have auctions every Sunday and only sell graded coins.

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...5-from-photo
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 Posted 10/18/2020  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dieuwer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I am regularly checking GC as well. In fact I send them some random leftover coins that no longer fit in my collection objectives. I'm curious what they will go for.
The coin from your link I have seen before. Looks lightly cleaned to me (even though NGC doesn't mention it). At normal magnification it will probably be just a shiny mirror. Not really interested in that.
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 Posted 10/18/2020  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Check Lancek's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Lancek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Once you have been a member for 30 days and have 100 posts, you can post links to any GC coins you are selling. In the Sales Promotion section.
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