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You Vs NGC 1881-S And 1900-P Morgan Dollars

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 Posted 10/29/2020  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add villagekid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It's not a "details coin". It is straight. The coin is in one of those "fat" NGC holders, so it's over 20 years old. Plenty of time for old fingerprints to form. It's NEVER been cracked out or anything. I may be wrong, but I don't think TPG consider fingerprints to be a major part of the grade. The graders and ecapsulators NEVER use gloves!


If that is true about not using gloves THEY SHOULD!!
Since you said: "Never use gloves" would that also include Proofs? That would be wrong...very unprofessional if that's the case.


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While not giving anything away, I can tell you that you will be SHOCKED at the grade that the 1881-S has.


As far as being shocked?
Seriously, you're taking the fun at guessing the grade and belittling folks like myself who really are making an effort viewing your specimen coin with detail analysis. If this is the way you're going
to conduct your Gotcha guessing game "US vs TPG" why should anyone bother responding
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 Posted 10/29/2020  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Nerd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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As far as being shocked?
Seriously, you're taking the fun at guessing the grade and belittling folks like myself who really are making an effort viewing your specimen coin with detail analysis. If this is the way you're going
to conduct your guessing game "US vs TPG" why should anyone bother responding


I apologize; I didn't think of it that way. I'll delete that post. And no, they don't use gloves at all, even for proof 70 coins.
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 Posted 10/29/2020  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Nerd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They say they don't use gloves because it makes the coin harder to grip and they "might drop" the coin. They use a padded surface, why can't they use gloves. I admit cotton gloves make coins hard to grip, but what about nitrile gloves? I've found them to be the best for coins. By the way, you see all this for yourself on YouTube videos put out by NGC and PCGS themselves.
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 Posted 10/29/2020  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coins can be safely handled by the rims so gloves are not necessary.

1881-S: MS64. This date is so often found in gem condition that this nice example looks to fall just short.

1900-P: MS64 also. Luster and strike are average so the eye appeal is below gem IMO.

Both are very nice pieces, just not quite 65s to me (in these images)
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 Posted 10/29/2020  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1881 s looks MS-64 the 1900 looks MS-65 to me
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 Posted 10/29/2020  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say MS-63 and MS-65, respectively.
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 Posted 10/29/2020  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with JasonKflo, 81S-64, 00-65
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 Posted 10/30/2020  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Nerd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Morgan dollar is my favorite coin, and I'm trying to build a complete date set. Obviously, I can't afford a 1895 or 1893 so it'll be lacking some dates. Just thought you guys would like to know that. Every collector has to have a goal.
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 Posted 10/30/2020  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the 81(S) are typically sharp and bold. for strike the eagle breast is tad weak and I would expect the hair above the ear to be a little more defined for this year. the obverse photo is hard to grade from due to the size and shadowing. high end rub across the highest points of the devices and I'm unsure about luster continuity across the cheek and any imperfections due to the photo. to me it appears that the luster is missing on most of the cheek. overall eye appeal is average. if the luster across the cheek is broken then I'm at MS63 otherwise I'm at MS64 on this one.


the 00(P) are typically average in strike. i'd say this one is may be AVG-. the obverse wheat stocks, leaf above the cotton balls, hair around the ear and above the forehead are all a little weak. the breast is tad weak and the lower right wing as well on the reverse. some minor abrasions on the cheek and neck. the luster appears to be broken in a couple areas but this may be attributed to the photos. this one should make MS64

i dislike grading multiple coins on one post so in the future if you can post separate it would be appreciated. typically I pass over any posts that have multiple coins listed
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 Posted 10/30/2020  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Nerd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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the luster appears to be broken in a couple areas but this may be attributed to the photos. this one should make MS64

i dislike grading multiple coins on one post so in the future if you can post separate it would be appreciated. typically I pass over any posts that have multiple coins listed


I'll do one coin at a time next time. The luster on the 1900 is quite brilliant; the photo doesn't do it justice. It's really hard to get good photos of coins. You have to have perfect lighting.
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 Posted 10/30/2020  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Nerd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll tell you what, I'll go ahead and reveal the grade for the 1881-S and leave the 1900 alone so more people will comment. I think many are passing up my post because I have two coins listed.

The 1881-S is Gem MS-65.
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 Posted 11/02/2020  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 11/02/2020  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Nerd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Update on the 1900?


Oh, sorry! The 1900 is MS-64 and the 1881-S is MS-65!
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 Posted 11/03/2020  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a bit shocked concerning the 81-s. I have a slabbed example that absolutely blows it away in every catagory, and it is a 63.

That reminds me of the time I bought 6 graded 85-P Morgans. All were 64s. All NGC. You could lay them out from worse to best and they were was a serious difference beteen coins of the same grade. What was funny was that for a while I put tape on them and let customers arrange them and guess the grade. The best was consistantly graded 65+ by the public and the worst 62.

My partner used to be an NGC grader and when he came back from a buying trip and saw my little game, having no knowledge before hand also graded them from 62 to 66. When I took the tape off, he was more than a little surprised. He took pics and sent them to NGC, who asked that we stop our little "show and tell" and offered to regrade them for free.

Sure enough the bad one came back downgraded to a 62; one 63, the best 66 and the rest stayed 64s. The best reason I heard was that a large TV seller needed a batch straight graded at 64 for a sale and that was the result. Now, NGC never said this, but my partner told me that it was his understanding this is what happened.
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 Posted 11/03/2020  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Nerd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm a bit shocked concerning the 81-s. I have a slabbed example that absolutely blows it away in every catagory, and it is a 63.


I would have to agree with you, but my coin does look a lot better in-person than in the photos. I took them with my phone, so it's not the best. The 81-S has obvious fingerprints on the surface. The coin has NEVER been removed from the holder. Do you think the graders accidentally caused them, or do they not take off points for prints?

I believe my coin is graded a Gem 65 because it has no distracting contact marks or stratches.
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