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1838 O/O Seated Liberty Dime

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 Posted 01/12/2021  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It straight graded.
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 Posted 01/13/2021  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since you don't agree with the grade...I'll say they put AU-53 on the slab. Reverse looks hi-AU/MS obverse brings it down, I'm seeing many ticks under that wonderful toning..IMO
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 Posted 01/13/2021  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sure in hand it's more obvious if this is AU or UNC. Agreed with GF, lots of small ticks, primarily on the obverse. That obv scratch likely dropped it 1/2 to a full point. AU58-MS60/61 for me.

Regardless, nice example and congrats on the pickup.
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 Posted 01/13/2021  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 01/13/2021  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i have coins where the scratch is way smaller than those on this coin and they detailed it. you said it graded straight so I would be happy with that especially with the other obverse scratches under the toning. AU58 or MS62. I'm leaning MS
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 Posted 01/13/2021  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty coin. Nice toning vs. scattered ticks. I'll go MS-61
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 Posted 01/14/2021  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks AU-58 to me, nice natural toning.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  02:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd give it the "it's mine" grade. It's a beautiful coin, you seem to love it, as long as you're happy with the price who cares what a TPG said. It's yours. You said it straight graded so it could be AU58-MS63 to my uneducated eye. I love the stuff around the obverse rim.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  11:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the slab. I paid strong MS(61) retail (not dealer, unfortunately) money for this beautiful dime. NGC slabbed it as MS(62), which seems awfully generous. I am pretty sure the toning is natural--a family member left some silver US coins in albums for over 50 years and some of the coins toned like this, so AT would never occur to me here. In my humble and limited experience, the "scratches" seem like common bag/contact marks I see often on "low-end" uncirculated coins. The marks on the obverse, despite looking better in hand (than in the photo) beneath the luster and toning, seem to me more indicative of an MS(61) or maybe even MS(60), although I have never actually seen a coin slabbed as MS(60). I wonder why NGC called it MS(62)? Where is the line between MS(61) and MS(62)? In both the photos and in hand, I failed to see any wear, so I am curious why so several people called it AU(58). Is there some wear on the coin? that I am missing? One area (of many) where I have much to learn still is in the difference between AU(58) and MS(61-62) on Seated Liberty coins, especially the small ones.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lembafc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A big part of grading is surface preservation. There are dings in the fields and that scratch on the obverse doesn't seem to be just a bag mark. You've got a small scratch coming down from the ES on the reverse as well. One could argue slight wear or weaker strike seen in the head, which takes away a little of the detail in the nose, mouth, and hair. You can see this minute wear on the wreath as well on the reverse. All this considered they probably were on the fence between 61 and 62, but gave you the 62 due to eye appeal. She is a beauty and anyone should be happy to own this piece. Take your coin and compare it to the MS-65 ones from PCGS. You can see the difference.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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NGC slabbed it as MS(62), which seems awfully generous.

I'd be thankful for a 62 and leave it at that.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  4:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a photo of your coin in 2005 with the same cert number. The coin sold at Heritage in 2005 and 2008. In 2008 it sold for $4600. Congratulation on your purchase of a beautiful example that was graded correctly. It appears that the coin was recently attributed O/O.
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 Posted 01/14/2021  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Slider23, for showing us this past photo of the coin. It seems that it has been slabbed by NGC for a while, and I am guessing it may have been in an album for decades before that. I got it for significantly less than that 2008 price and I love the coin--it will represent its type very well in my US coin collection. I am trying to learn to navigate some of the "gray areas" between AU(58), MS(61), and MS(62) more effectively, and I am thankful to this forum for helping me learn through experience.
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 Posted 01/15/2021  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am trying to learn to navigate some of the "gray areas" between AU(58), MS(61), and MS(62)


when you have a heavily toned coin it makes it even more challenging determining the difference between these grades. having the coin in hand helps a lot as one cannot rotate a photo in the light, which in a lot of cases, is needed to see minor wear from circulation especially if its a high end AU58. for the MS61/62 it typically comes down to the eye appeal and number of surface issues, scratches, abrasions, small dings etc. on your coin I did not see any circulation wear based on the photos. I felt it was not strong enough for a 63 grade and not enough issues to drop it to a 61. therefore MS62
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 Posted 01/16/2021  03:05 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice looking dime, I've always loved the Gobrecht no stars in the field look the best. I was a bit late to the game, but pegged it at MS61 before I scrolled down to post and saw the grade had been posted. I missed the O/O mintmark though.
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