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Oven-Baked, Colored Flying Eagle?

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 Posted 01/24/2021  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He's bought coins from me and they go from chocolate brown to colorfully toned.
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 Posted 01/24/2021  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yikes what an ugly coin
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 Posted 01/24/2021  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am always suspicious of coins with what looks like to have very attractive toning.

Almost impossible to prove if the toning is natural or artificial.
So I just ignore attractive toning, when it come to value, despite the the fact that I do actually appreciate the toning.

Because of the equal plusses and minuses, attractive toning has a net zero effect on my decision to buy or not.
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 Posted 01/24/2021  6:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Too bad he ruined a nice FE. Also likes to do that to Indian cents.
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 Posted 01/25/2021  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've often wondered how much of his stuff straight grades. To me, it's a one-look AT. But I do wonder about this.
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 Posted 01/25/2021  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A lot of this guys AT work gets straight graded by NGC. Below are three works of his that are for sale on his eBay site that were submitted in the same NGC batch.



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01/25/2021 3:49 pm
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 Posted 01/25/2021  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How are any of these "RB" or "BN"?
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 Posted 01/25/2021  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Related topic, fun read:
http://goccf.com/t/353982
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 Posted 01/26/2021  05:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Slabbed coin certainly not RB or BN, imho.
The color presented is neither,
irrespective of if the toning is artificial or natural.

Still a desirable coin anyway.
Extra or less value? - probably slightly less for me, because I can't satisfy myself about the cause for the toning.
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 Posted 01/26/2021  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Slider23, thanks for posting his NGC examples. That's disturbing.
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 Posted 01/28/2021  03:43 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep looks shockingly similar to some examples I did on IHC back in my early days of learning with a butane torch and some aluminum foil wrap. Has the heat treated look for sure.
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 Posted 02/01/2021  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Check Diy89Nurm7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Diy89Nurm7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was thinking blow torch, too, Westcoin. Years ago I would sellers at coin shows trying to unload their "toned" coins for a high premium. Always a bit suspicious of toned coins since I really don't know enough about natural toning to make a fair comparison.

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 Posted 02/01/2021  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I might still have the IHC I payed with, most were VF-EF grade low dollar coins that had been cleaned to a bright orange look already. I do remember getting some incredible rainbow colors on them using the butane torch, but also ruined a few with scorch marks and bubbling on the surface from the extreme heat. I of course never made these to defraud or sell, it was after an ANA summer seminar where Bob Campbell was first beginning to give his fantastic talk on the perils of AT on coins of the day. When I first heard this it was only a 30 minute "Bull Session" with a paper handout then a question and answer period that Bob did.

The NNP has his talk in a video:
https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/560383


I've posted it before and I wish there was a newer talk recorded with better quality video, but it's still very pertinent information, Bob started doing this talk back in 1994 or maybe even earlier. I know there is also a copy of his 1994 ANA Convention talk on NNP as well.

Still a great video to watch for all collectors.
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 Posted 02/01/2021  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@westcoin thanks for posting the link to Bob's talk. I finally watched it this past weekend (saved it from the last time you posted it) and it is a must watch for anyone interested in coins.
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 Posted 02/02/2021  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I watched Bob's talk too, and now I can say with certainty that the Capped Bust half dollar posted by Grape has natural toning.
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