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 Posted 03/05/2021  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MartiVltori to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only thing I can find with that mint mark is Heraclius and Heraclius Constantine (DO 19; MIB 65; Sear 779) but that has a very different obverse die.
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 Posted 03/05/2021  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Check Collects82's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Collects82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That mustache of the fellow on the left is legendary.
My hoard of '82s is up to 204! 218 BC x 1, 118 BC x 3, 18 BC x 1, 82 x 1, 182 x 1, 282 x 2, 382 x 1, 582 x 2, 682 x 1, 782 x 2, 882 x 1, 982 x 4, 1082 x 1 1182 x 8, 1282 x 2, 1382 x 1, 1482 x 5, 1582 x 13, 1682 x 15, 1782 x 57, 1882 x 49, 1982 x 33
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 Posted 03/05/2021  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Check chafemasterj's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! Incredible metal detector find. Has to be a once in a lifetime kind of discovery.
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 Posted 03/05/2021  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I imagine this site would be helpful:

http://numismatics.org/digitallibra...95/nnan29265

Weight of the coin? That helps a bit as well. There are probably about 100 mentions of "BOXX" with just a "control f" on the page of the above site and there is a lot to study there.
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 Posted 03/05/2021  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Very nice find, it is Heraclius and Heraclius Constantine.
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 Posted 03/05/2021  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arnoldoe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

same like this one,

I think the Byzantines made these lightweight solidii coins for payments outside of the Empire.
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 Posted 03/05/2021  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The obverse is like Sear types 749, 751, 753 with the figures about the same size and at the same level, and Heraclius (left) with a long beard.

But the reverse mint mark is like Sear 779.

A mystery ...
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 Posted 03/06/2021  12:17 am  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Honestly the second head being as large is not almost larger than the first is the oddest part to me. For these two gentlemen that is.
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 Posted 03/06/2021  02:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arturxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your help!
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 Posted 03/06/2021  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arturxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin weighs 3.72-3.73 g.
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 Posted 03/06/2021  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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... the second head being as large is not almost larger than the first is the oddest part to me.


There are types for which this is typical (749, 751, 753) but not with BOXX rev. (at least as far as my searching took me).


Starts to make you wonder if it's a forgery combining elements of the two types. One can find differences between the OPs coin and recently sold examples with this combination of portraits (the hairs in the long beard are more parallel; Heraclius COnstantine's moustache droops downward on both sides). But if we're comparing to the wrong reference coin ... However, the weight is right (I realize that isn't always diagnostic )

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 Posted 03/06/2021  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arturxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your opinion, but I cannot admit the opinion that this is a fake, unless someone buried it on purpose. Could this be a lightweight solid with the obverse that you indicated?
I found another coin with Boxx on the reverse:
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 Posted 03/06/2021  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Check louisvillekyshop's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Auturxx;

Well I don't think tdziemia was saying it was fake as much as it could be a contemporary imitation of the barbarians or unlisted. From the site below I referenced earlier and again below: (Mentions Dnieper Delta and notice the "BOXX" reference as well.

-->"Bauer further reports that his colleague Zograph, while spending the summer in southern Russia in 1927, was shown seven Byzantine solidi that were ostensibly found associated with other valuable utensils in the Dnieper Delta. There were six coins of Heraclius and one piece of Constans II. All of the coins of the three-emperor type, and Bauer unfortunately does not record how many there were included in this hoard, were marked BOXX. There is hardly enough information published concerning this hoard to make possible any very significant inferences or conclusions, but it is certainly most probable that the contents of this hoard were also exported to Russia between 641 and 668 A.D. Since there is no mention of these coins being used in the manufacture of jewellery, we may presume that they were intended for commercial purposes, and perhaps the hoard was buried relatively quickly after it left the Empire."<--

http://numismatics.org/digitallibra...95/nnan29265
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 Posted 03/06/2021  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@louisville, I think the article you've referenced might be the key, since it covers a large number of coins marked BOXX pertaining to regions near where this coin was found, but the recent auction archives have nearly none of these.


And I will remove my nose from an area I don;t know much about
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 Posted 03/06/2021  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arturxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much, the site was not noticed for the first time. The information is useful, because the coin was found near the Irdyn River (as far as I know, there was a Dnieper arm there before).
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