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1 Cent 1881 Doubling Letters Legend

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 Posted 05/16/2021  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a few of the neat anomalies that you can/will find with the 1881's: I can't seem to find some of the old photos of the mangled N's or oddly repunched letters.










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 Posted 05/17/2021  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And IF you are very very lucky, you may find one of these:


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 Posted 05/17/2021  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's an excellent bunch of fairly hard to find varieties to search for the SSN being the very hardest to find of them all if you find any in Mint State condition you have a treasure.

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 Posted 05/17/2021  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a couple of more 1881's that are worth looking for. Both are pretty scarce.

This one has repunched D and N's.




This one is sometimes called double spur N, but it's a nice RTC (round the clock doubling)

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 Posted 05/18/2021  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dan-in-crystal-lake to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All great examples of why '81 is a fun year to collect.
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 Posted 05/18/2021  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Check 47P7's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 47P7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Papeldog,
I 100% agree with you.
Now, You, and most here are aware of my 1887 (everything) RTC on both sides. U recently posted an image of it.
which do you think is the more desirable
the 1881 or the 1887?
tough question right?
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 Posted 05/18/2021  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a hard question to answer, I would have to say the 1881 as I have seen a few of them.

Your 1887 I love it but its the only one that I have seen like it and very desirable you have a treasure maybe one of a kind.
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 Posted 05/18/2021  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that it's the few 1881 RTC's that are the most desirable because they can have hub doubling, with Mechanical Doubling and some individual letters handpunched, most with a large offset. I still think that the ;87 was MD with the coin loose in its holders. The planchet may not have even been fully seated into the striking position when the dies first struck. Maybe that could be the reason why you say double-struck ... it doesn't look like any DS I've ever seen but, you Roger, have seen many
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 Posted 05/18/2021  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
47P7 I'm not really sure you can compare the two, if memory serves me your coin was Machine Doubling where the 1881 is a mixed font variety.
Both are very desirable but it's really apples and oranges too me.
Here's the mixed font from 1881.

Cheers, Bill

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 Posted 05/18/2021  3:21 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Phil310 - whatever lighting and camera setup you are using, it is fantastic. Those are superb photos!
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 Posted 05/18/2021  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks SPP.

I use a Canon Rebel T6i with 100mm Macro lens and use the camera flash for lighting. I have tried other lamps and light rings, but I like the detail I get with the flash. The color isn't very good, but I get the details which is what I'm looking for when studying dies. All the closeups are enlargements from a full side shot.
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 Posted 05/19/2021  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dan-in-crystal-lake to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with SPP, the shots are very good! Your setup is very similar to mine. I'm using a Canon Rebel EOS T3i with a 100mm macro lens on a tripod. I use a single side lamp with a daylight 5000k 1100 lumens bulb. I put the coin on a jet black background and use the timer on my camera for a 2 sec delay. The settings on my camera yield a photo that is a bit underexposed on purpose. Then I can adjust the exposure on the image to get the color right. As with you, my closeups are enlargements of the full coin shot.
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 Posted 05/19/2021  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dan, I use a white background for my photos. I've never tried using a black background. I'll have to give that a try and see how it affects the results.
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well fellows, here is my 2 cents to that:
have tried lots of different lights and methods, BUT never used the flash...will try that , thank you.
also use a Canon Ebel XS body with a 90 mm macro lens.
your photos are great using the flash.
what settings do you use? and does it work with a reflecting coin?
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 Posted 05/19/2021  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It only works well on toned copper. Bright copper and silver are too reflective. But since just about everything I have is toned copper, I pretty much stick to what has worked for me. I didn't really plan to use the flash, but accidentally had it turned on and I liked the result and have been using it ever since. I haven't been using any special manual settings. I just let the camera adjust automatically. It was all a matter of beginners luck.
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