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1797 1/1 Flowing Hair/Liberty Cap Half Cent NGC Vs. You

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 Posted 07/19/2021  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful and fascinating. Might be AU-55, might be MS-63. Surfaces look original, with the various voids and marks mostly due to planchet defects and die damage. Probably worth upwards of $10,000, and definitely a high-quality piece.

PCGS Coin Facts indicates this date tends to sell for significantly higher prices when PCGS-certified, compared with NGC-graded examples. This coin looks great, but maybe there's a general perception NGC grades too easy on these coins.
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 Posted 07/19/2021  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An absolute beauty! Amazing to see coins from hundreds of years ago still in such incredible shape. I could see this being a mint state coin, likely MS60 or higher. A real piece of American history.

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 Posted 07/19/2021  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice example, one I'm sure any of us here would be excited to have as part of our collections! That obverse die was definitely on its last legs...
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 Posted 07/19/2021  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does the color seem natural?
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 Posted 07/19/2021  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks natural to me, a hint of original red, especially in protected areas.
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 Posted 07/19/2021  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldfordman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ms62, yes the color looks natural.
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 Posted 07/19/2021  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coin. That obverse die is just about to totally fail ... but held together for this coin to be struck.

A really special example of our early USA coinage history.
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 Posted 07/19/2021  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Color looks fine by me as well. And the more I look at it, the more I like it.. oh if I had unlimited money.
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 Posted 07/20/2021  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish I could have pulled the trigger on it sooner--someone snatched it today. They have another LDS one in a PCGS MS(62) holder, but parts of the lettering are flat (is it called swelling?), and liberty's forehead is weaker. I actually liked this one more, even though it was a lower grade holder (and NGC, when most of my type collection is in PCGS holders)


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 Posted 07/21/2021  12:03 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sold for $10,800 in the Partrick sale (April 23, 2021), what was the price at the B&M shop?

It was also an ex-Terranova collection coin. Anthony had an amazing Half Cent set.

My friend Mark did the write up on this coin he is an EAC old hand and expert at grading these, he calls it at EAC AU50 and Manley Die state 9 or 10 about as far as the die could be pushed before it exploded.

Here is his write up copied from Heritage site:

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1797 1 Above 1, C-1, B-1c, R.2,
MS60 Brown NGC. Our EAC grade AU50.
95.8 grains.

Breen Die State IX or X. Manley Die State 4.0 or 5.0. Traces of undertype, likely from a Talbot, Allum & Lee token, are evident at the lower left obverse. A die line at ICA of AMERICA may represent further token undertype. This impressive piece shows substantial evidence of Die Deterioration, including bulges and cracks, and is close to the terminal state of the dies. Walter Breen itemizes 10 die states in his Half Cent Encyclopedia while Ronald Manley lists five in The Half Cent Die State Book, 1793-1857. This piece appears to match the descriptions of the latest die state according to both authors. RTY and ICA are usually absent on the late die states, and they would be absent on this coin as well, except for its remarkable state of preservation.

The lustrous chocolate-brown surfaces show slight evidence of corrosion on the reverse when examined with magnification. Traces of faded mint red are evident in the protected areas of the design on this important late die state Half Cent. This piece will serve as an excellent representative for an advanced type set, or for the variety specialist. Many variety collectors seek out examples of early and late die states. The present sale, perhaps remarkably, offers just such an opportunity to acquire high grade examples of both variations.

Ex: Anthony Terranova (11/6/1982); Donald G. Partrick.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  11:12 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thought it might be neat to see what this coin looks like in an example struck when the die was brand new and had any cracks in it.



Of course this one is a lot more money being a MS65* BN from the same auction, this is the other example Mark alluded to in being able to purchase both an early and a late die state at the same time - if you had the funds to do so that is!

Donald G. Partrick had an amazing collection of early coinage. Heritage had 8 catalogs with his name on the front and over 4300 items so far auctioned, they are still currently auctioning coins and items from his collection.
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 Posted 07/21/2021  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful coin grade aside.
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 Posted 07/24/2021  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Late to the party on this one, but WOW. That poor die was held together by willpower. What a beautiful coin.
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 Posted 07/24/2021  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Frisco Mint sold this one over a week ago, I think. They have another similar one in a PCGS holder, slabbed as MS(62) (yet the exact same coin appears on PCGS photograde as the MS(60) example!), for sale now, and it may be more original and well preserved, but I just don't like the smoothness and missing letters that erase part of "liberty" and extend all the way to touch Liberty's forehead! I am sure it is a quality example, but this smoothing out of the planchet at the expense of the coin's details is really distracting.

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 Posted 07/24/2021  11:37 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like Chris' coin (earlycents) is really suffering from a poor planchet, I'm not a big fan of it. The MS60 coin is so much nicer actually.

Just went to look at the Partrick coin again, and now I see it is in the same holder, same serial number but showing an AU55BN - what is going on? I feel like I'm losing my mind.

Never mind I see the last serial number is different by 1 number, I really thought I was losing it.



That said I really like the look of either Partrick coin. They were sold on consecutive days also.
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