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Could This Be? I Am At A Loss As To What Exactly This Is

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 Posted 08/14/2021  05:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chedee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When searching the coin, there are three variants(I don't know the lingo, sorry), two of which I am unable to find a picture to compare
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 Posted 08/14/2021  11:52 am  Show Profile   Check PaddyB's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it is GB penny size (around 30mm diameter), then it is a penny!
There are many more than just 3 variants for this date, but in that condition we are unlikely to be able to say for sure, which it is. We would need pics of the other side too.
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 Posted 08/15/2021  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chedee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks PaddyB!

I will try my best in uploading that picture for you as soon as I am able#128076; many thanks
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 Posted 08/15/2021  05:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chedee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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 Posted 08/15/2021  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, it's a very, very worn British penny. British coins of the Victorian era are very often found in this super-worn state over here in Australia and New Zealand. Shipping coinage to the far side of the world for the colonists to use was expensive, so they didn't do it until absolutely necessary. Coins - especially coppers - were allowed to become worn flat before being withdrawn. Back in Britain, the banks would have withdrawn such coins and returned them to the Mint for scrapping, long before they reached this state.

Note: if you find a halfpenny that's totally worn flat on one side but still looks pretty good on the other, it was probably used in the old pub game known as shove'ha'penny.
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 Posted 08/16/2021  03:18 am  Show Profile   Check PaddyB's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, it is an 1862 penny, but little more can be said. Sadly in that condition, it would go into my scrap metal pot along with the other 40Kg of similar pennies and halfpennies!

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 Posted 08/16/2021  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chedee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sap & PaddyB, thankyou kindly!! So scrap it, you reckon?
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 Posted 08/17/2021  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Scrap metal" might be a little harsh in the Antipodes. It's identifiable (the date is still clearly readable), but has some severe scratches, besides the extreme wear. A coin dealer in Australia or NZ might try to get a dollar or so for it, but probably not too much more than that. Or give it away - some kid might be thrilled at owning a 150+ year old coin.
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 Posted 08/18/2021  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chedee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Sap
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 Posted 08/18/2021  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No they wouldn't Sap. Coins in that condition would be good for melting only or given to a child collector for free.

As a fellow NZer I have no idea who "Chedee" is and do not know them. My guess is looking at their coins and photography skills, they are a child or a beginner - so we need to treat them accordingly, be helpful but if they do like 50 threads all showing worn or common coins we need to remind them of rules.

Chedee, you need to take sharper photos and clip them accordingly so you see only the coin and no background.

Also if you have a lot of coins, try and at least identify what they are like "1862 Penny or Halfpenny" or "1963 NZ Sixpence", rather than the thread titles like "What is this" and "I can't believe it".

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If it's round, shiny and silvery I will love it.
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 Posted 08/19/2021  03:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin might be old and worn, but I would keep it, at least until I found a better one.

This is my current 1862 penny.


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 Posted 08/19/2021  06:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collector28 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think worn coins are very interesting. They have a story to them. That 1862 penny would have bought penny chews for countless children, been used as part of payment for grocery shopping, paid milkmen and paperboys, used at fairground stalls. It's got a story, and although it might have much numismatic value I think the history alone should be enough to avoid the melting pot.
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 Posted 08/19/2021  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no problem with worn coins - it was just this person gives their threads silly names and seems to lead us on that they have better coins than they are.

I don't even think I have an 1862 penny - but all my 1860s pennies except 1 look like that, another from 1866 has been octagonised!




Decent Halfpenny and Farthing faces of 1862 for anyone who wants to know what an unworn Britannia coin of 1862 looks like.

These bronze coins had a lower shelf for the date and hence why the date survives longer that the rest of the design.


It's VG to VG+ but some one has ocatgonised it!
Loving Halfcrowns. British and Commonwealth coins 1750 - 1950 and anything Kiwi.
If it's round, shiny and silvery I will love it.
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08/19/2021 11:59 pm
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 Posted 08/22/2021  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chedee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you princetane, yes I am new to this but I unfortunately cannot put my idiocy in coin collecting & this prestigious forum to being a child. Thank you for all your help & patience. I have taken note
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 Posted 08/23/2021  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yes I am new to this but I unfortunately cannot put my idiocy in coin collecting & this prestigious forum to being a child. Thank you for all your help & patience. I have taken note

As long as you learn

One good site for researching modern coins is Numista https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?ct=coin

If you type what you can see on your coin into the search bar, it will give you a list of matches with photos. You can go through them looking for anything that looks like yours. The list might be long but most of the coins won't look anything like yours, so it's quick.

For example, if you enter '1862' (all you can read on your coin) you get 588 results. You could look through all of them, but on the first page there's a coin that looks much like yours (with the date at the bottom under a line). It has 'Britannia' on it, so that might be your next lead.

So, if you now enter '1862' and 'Britannia', you get just 8 results. 4 of these look very much like your coin (with a portrait on the obverse), but the sizes are listed, and only one matches - the penny.

Even if you can't find a match, you can ask a more precise question here.

I've even managed to find coins with nothing but Arabic or an Indian script on Numista - just by guessing the country and the year, and looking for coins that look a bit like mine.
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08/23/2021 2:18 pm
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