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1982 LMC Small Date Copper DDR?

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 Posted 10/15/2021  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin has circulation flattening/damage, along with some Die Deterioration.
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 Posted 10/16/2021  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The weakness on States ic common. The opposite side of the bust is getting full metal from the planchet, but the reverse suffers. The devices on a doubled die will be enlarged fully. Note on the weakness, the full height is missing. So as mentioned earlier, that area didn't get the full metal there. If the planchet is even slightly lite, that area will not have the full strike up on those devices.
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 Posted 10/16/2021  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is what you need to see on this DDR. I don't see it on your coin:








Your coin is normal. (Rare to see these as I think I can only think of less than 5 posted here before)
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 Posted 10/16/2021  1:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


to the CCF!
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 Posted 10/16/2021  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krisalane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much for that Coop! I've been studying CoopHome, but wow this is confusing!
I'll keep trying :)
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 Posted 10/16/2021  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krisalane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, if I read correctly, the larger D STA is from Die Deterioration or over polishing, correct?
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 Posted 10/17/2021  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No that's hub doubling on the die. That is called "spread ".
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Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

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 Posted 10/17/2021  02:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krisalane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sorry Coop, I meant from my picture here... what causes the top coin to have a wider and longer D ST than the bottom coin? Both are same year, mint etc... Are you saying that is hub doubling?

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 Posted 10/17/2021  04:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When comparing coins,you need to use the same date and same mint mark as well as same condition.
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 Posted 10/18/2021  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krisalane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Thanks John1. Unfortunately, I only have one copper philly sd so I am comparing it to a zinc philly sd. But still, the D ST are longer and wider than the surrounding letters on the same coin. What is this error/variety called or what causes the letters to be fatter and longer, but not as thick as other letters? I've looked through all the comparison photos I can find here, DD, copper coins, variety vista and error-ref, and the only reference I can find to this type of lettering has been on other coins listed as DDR. I'm sure, I'm not that lucky, but I'd like to figure out what I'm looking at and why it's the way it is. Is there anywhere else you'd suggest I try? Thanks again.



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 Posted 10/18/2021  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You covered all the reference sites but Wexler. I do not think you will find your coin on any of those sites because it is not an error or variety,IMHO. It is a known areas for weakness during the striking process and sometimes has a Struck Through Grease issue in the same area. Along with circulation wear/flattening.
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 Posted 10/18/2021  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John1 is correct. that area of the die had a Struck Through Grease error. It is often we see weakness on this area where the metal flow was not sufficient to fill out all the devices:

But I ruled that out as the rest of the devices are present, but the Grease Fill prevented the full strike on some devices on that area. But this widening of the devices is just removing the narrow part of the devices from being seen. On a doubled die, we see even the base of the devices enlarged and doubled on this DDO.

Note the 'E'? Your coin is from a regular die. Note the outside width of the stacked coins, are showing the same base width on your images devices?


Note the 'A' and the "E PLU" Devices? See the doubling. Your coin is not showing that. On a match for a doubled die, it has to match all the devices. If not, then it is not that die number.
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1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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 Posted 10/18/2021  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krisalane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW!!! Awesome!! Thank You John1 and Coop!!!
If I haven't said it before, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! There is a steep learning curve to these designs, and while they become more clear daily, I'd be completely lost without the effort you all put in here. Thanks again!
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 Posted 10/18/2021  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well that is my personal goal. I want yo be able to show you what I see on your coin. When I was trained, I was give yes or not answers. Nothing else. What took me many years to learn, I'm getting the new ones here to feel comfortable in months. I also try to train the others the advantage of this hands on program so when I'm not here, they too may help out.
Richard S. Cooper
Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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