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Pillar of the Community
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Offset/misaligned not rotated.
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As Tanman said, offset. I have found many clashes and don't know if any were perfectly rotated or aligned as the "picture perfect" overlays show but have found a pile of offset/misaligned die clashes.
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This is just a regular clash. You are looking at it backwards. Hard for me to explain, but the clash is from the lines in bay 8 & 9 going west, not east. The top line is his neck and the bottom line is his mouth. And as Tanman says thats the bridge of his nose under the memorial.
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Bedrock of the Community
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( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion )
Searched 6.5 +/- Million Cents Since 1971
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@Tanman. Flipping overlay in correct position the bridge does line up. But seems like other issues don't. There's an overlay showing nose bridge and neck lining up. @VWolf. The obverse does have clashes. Didn't want to overload with more pictures and questions. Thought once we figured out the reverse I'd post pictures and questions for obverse. I know as we all do it's different with coin in hand from looking at pictures. There's actually more clash issues on reverse but probably 5+ pictures and some difficult to get a clear shot. I might be seeing things that's not there. ( I can't think of the word ). But. Here goes. Arrows pointing close as I could with fat and shaky finger. Picture (A) is my original coin. (B) is with overlay. Blue arrow part of eye. Red parts of nose. Pink neck. Brown collar and tie.    |
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Very interesting! Good job but I'm still confused. The clash is 180 degrees?
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As I said above, this is just a regular clash. In order for it not to be, one of the dies would have had to have been installed 180 deg out. Then somehow the clash happened with the dies misaligned by3 or 4 millameters to one side. Even if one was 180 deg out this clash would be in bay 3 and 4. Ya and I can't remember the word for seeing things that are not there, but a classic case.
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11/28/2021 4:00 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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 I hesitate to ask. This is the last question. On Maddieclashes.com MAD number MDC-1C-1997-02. If it can happen like this. Why couldn't it go just a little farther? Just curious and need some learning.  Thank you all for your input.  Rob. 
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Bedrock of the Community
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( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion )
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Pillar of the Community
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That clash is right, coin alignment. Your's is medal alignment. You are right about the distance it is off, I don't see how that clash could be that far to the west. I wouldn't think they would have that much adjustment on the machine, and I don't think dropping a die on another one would result in that much damage to the die.
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Rob, something just hit me, that may help explain the confusion. At the very beginning of your thread, you had a closeup, just below the full coin shots of the reverse and obverse. In the closeup, you have two white arrows. What do you think you are looking at, at the tips of those arrows?
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So if I understand this correctly, the cent has a medal alignment clash that is off centered?
Discovering the truth does not have all the answers.
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11/29/2021 10:34 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Is this correct?
Discovering the truth does not have all the answers.
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I was trying to help but my point was, the area you pointed out, that I referred to in my question, that was never answered, is the field, not the "beard", which I would almost guarantee, was what you thought it was. So anyway, maybe some food for thought in future finds with clashes.
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