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What Happened To This Cent? (1913 S)

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 Posted 12/07/2021  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like the opposite of a road kill coin lol, maybe a "road kill" die:p

Looks like the die was dragged along concrete a little bit used to strike a coin. My biggest issue is if there was 1 minted like this and the coin coin being that old, would someone not have already found one? Are you able to posted the weight? I suppose it could be possible metal was added to the coin after minting. The left leaf I see some damage, kind of makes it look like a guitar lol. This one has got my head spinning a bit as to how this happened.
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 Posted 12/07/2021  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it were a damaged die, why is this the only one to show up in 108 years? When a coin is scraped the metal doesn't all scrape off. The raised marks came out of the incised gouges. And I think the lines through the one might be a lam. The obverse has a lam on the forehead, and maybe a lam coming down from the s in trust.
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 Posted 12/07/2021  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not seeing nearly enough incuse marking to cause this amount of metal displacement. And there is many raised areas on the fields with no incuse marks to explain them(not including the marks on ONE CENT). As well most of the areas in between the raised marks seem level with the fields(or close to it) definitely don't seem like they could have caused this level of displaced metal. I definitely agree that with the age of the coin the odds something like this has not already been discovered seems extremely low to almost impossible. In still not convinced it's just damage and a lam, most would see this coin and think damage right away even if it was an error.

Edit: a struck through would be incuse on the coin, has anyone ever seen the effect on a die that a struck through could could have on the die it self? I personally have never seen a coin posted with did damage due to a major struck through. If that was the case there would be a struck through coin with similar markings but incuse rather then raised. Out of curiosity if a die was damaged due to a struck through what would the error be called on the coins it produced afterwards?
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 Posted 12/07/2021  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cpfull to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think its mostly a glue or resin on the surface of the coin, the letters under it don't really show any damage if it was scraped up. The straight lines on the left wheat stalk do appear to be damage to me.
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 Posted 12/07/2021  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The straight lines on the left wheat stalk do appear to be damage to me.

Yes I agree with that, even alluded to that in my earlier post.

but glue? Hmm. intriguing possibility, Maybe a long soaking in acetone will determine if it is glue or not.
I do see a lam at the top of the 'N' in ONE.
I wonder if Coop or Mike Diamond could look at this one.
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 Posted 12/07/2021  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cpfull to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I should have been clear, I was agreeing with you about the wheat stalk area being damage.
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 Posted 12/07/2021  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glue never came to mind, an acetone soak would probably answer that easily.
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 Posted 12/07/2021  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Check BadThad's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like welding or brazing spatter. No matter how you look at it, it's PMD.
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 Posted 12/07/2021  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I should have been clear, I was agreeing with you about the wheat stalk area being damage.


hahaha.. I guess I was agreeing with you agreeing with me.. We are on the same page, same book too.


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Looks like welding or brazing spatter. No matter how you look at it, it's PMD


no I don't stink it is 'spatter' from brazing or welding. If it were, there would be more spalling and little semi round balls of solidified molten metal not a smear like peanut butter on bread...

but it could be PMD or it could be die damage at this point.
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 Posted 12/07/2021  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weight as I said before would you help, the OP is the one with the coin in hand and agree an acetone soak could also help. Since the rim seems to be effected as well I'm leaning towards glue or something else on the coin.
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 Posted 12/08/2021  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The last image seems to show some dark opaque "splatter" or drops on the base of the right wheat.

Seems like resin, glue, or sap to me. A soak in acetone might reveal what it is.
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 Posted 12/08/2021  10:09 am  Show Profile   Check sheldius's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sheldius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll keep watching this thread in case it ever gets a acetone soak.
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 Posted 12/08/2021  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will give it an acetone soak for a few days.
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 Posted 12/08/2021  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Note how on ONE, the tops of the devices are affected? To affect the depth of the die that much I would expect that all the devices would be affected like that. But not on the top of the 'N'? You can see a lamination peel there. So I feel this is a struck through issue on the coin. If so the weight could be close to normal. On a lamination it would be affected a bit deeper on the surface. So I feel something thin uneven desbris was struck onto the coin and some areas peeled, leaving the raised high spots and the parts of it has not fallen off the coin yet.

The obverse on the date, note the wear pattern is in the opposite direction as normal die wear? These dies had the large rims on the coins and this happened different on the older wide time dies:




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