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Struck Through Late Stage Die Cap? Or Just Post Mint Damage?

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 Posted 01/13/2022  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems to have a pattern? Struck through some type of clothe?
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 Posted 01/13/2022  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was thinking the same as John1, that maybe its struck through cloth?
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 Posted 01/13/2022  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll vote for struck through something (cloth or what ever) the coin still has its proto rim and was not fully formed during the strike. So, I'll say Mint Employee generated error.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Skeletonwizard8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe they accidentally struck it with a cloth cover on one of the dies?
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 Posted 01/13/2022  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cloth has a lot stronger pattern:

Also the rim is stronger on the Struck through cloth:

I feel this is a struck though a late stage die cap. Not a die cap as it would be distorted into a different shape:

Struck through a capped die.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop,
How do you account for the pattern look?
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 Posted 01/13/2022  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find! Looks struck through to me also.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If this it is the really color of the coin, I will say tinny planchet -0.1 grams less and improper mix of alloy, given more bronze color. Then I will say struck through a late caped die. The patterns I see are symmetric and due to the well know that in the mint they use cotton cheese tissue for clean the dies will be not a surprise for me to add also this hypotheses.

About the color to be clear for all's. In that time the alloy was 95% CU and 5% zinc and tin. Improper mix planchets give bronze if more tin was present instead of the cooper alloy derivate. This happened more on the begin of the roll.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good eye!
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 Posted 01/13/2022  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gsp193 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thats awesome! Congrats!
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 Posted 01/13/2022  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quoted from error-ref.com;

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Definition: A coin struck through a late-stage die cap will show a strong "ghost image" of the raised design (see Die Cap). Most such errors involve die caps affixed to the hammer die, so we'll focus on those.

https://www.error-ref.com/struck_th...%20planchets.

Lincoln cent resource has the same info:
http://www.lincolncentresource.com/...Die_Cap.html

So according to error-ref, it cannot be a late stage die cap, because the design is not present at all.

I still think it was struck through a fine woven linen due to the hash marks on the surface.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was asked for my opinion. I suspect the obverse was struck through an early-stage uniface die cap that started out as a split planchet. The striated surface became the working face of the die cap and transferred its texture to the planchet represented by this coin. Since so little of Lincoln's bust has bled through, I'm guessing this is the second or third coin struck by this die cap.
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 Posted 01/13/2022  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for explanation Mike. I think you impress us another one more time. We was far from what it is. Thanks.
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 Posted 01/14/2022  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@mikediamond, your expert opinion and providing us with new learning tools is always appreciated.
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 Posted 01/14/2022  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mike. Always glad to hear you opinion.
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Some have asked about my images I use and I'm glad to say, you can now you can see the DVD in sections on youtube:
1. Intro, older coins, toned coins 2. Doubled dies 3. Die events, One of a kind errors 4. So called errors, Coin information 5. Coin information Types and Varieties, Overlays
Jefferson nickel doubled dies Wexler/Rebar complete listings

trail dies:http://www.traildies.com/
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