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Raw 1921 Peace Dollar

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 Posted 12/10/2022  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This has no doubt been cleaned.

It will not straight grade.

If you refuse to listen to us, send it in to get graded, and consider it tuition.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stvnnvts999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im not too sure about the cleaning part.

I see no obvious hairlines that indicate that its been cleaned.

You can find plenty of other VF graded dollars that straight graded with this general look to them that probably have table marks on them from being slid across a table at one point but in no way is it related to cleaning.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  03:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If you refuse to listen to us, send it in to get graded, and consider it tuition


Your money. It's a low value coin.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  04:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you send it in ANACS will cost you the least.After you get the coin back from whoever you send it to,please post a photo of the full front slab...thanks.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  04:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin exhibits a diagnostic defect that is spottable and repeatable.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  05:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF

I agree that based on these photos I question if the surfaces are authentic (ie not cleaned). You have the coin in hand and sound confident in your views so let us know what the TPG says.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  07:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interested in learning how all this plays out.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say VF-30 sharpness, unsure from pics if cleaned, but definitely not worth grading fees.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  09:14 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree it has mid-VF sharpness, and I wouldn't consider any 1921 Peace to be a low value coin. The photos do suggest a past cleaning, but that might just be due to harsh lighting. The coin in hand might look fine. That said, I don't think getting it graded would add any value to the coin and I personally wouldn't bother.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with pretty much everyone. VF details. the original surfaces have been removed. its not harshly cleaned but would still detail.

even if it graded straight its not worth slabbing. put it in an airtight or an album and call it a day or you'll lose a significant amount of its value getting it graded

i agree with BH1964 regarding the price you paid but its borderline for slabbing. personally I would never send a coin that I thought was going to detail to have it slabbed. if you use PCGS the lowest subscription is like $70 plus grading cost plus shipping and insurance both ways. you have to decide if thats worth it. from a personal standpoint if I had to purchase this I would not pay more than $150 regardless if it was slabbed or not
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 Posted 12/10/2022  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm pretty confident that it has the potential to straight grade.


It could. Many obviously cleaned coins like this one are in straight graded holders. It's one of the reasons CAC was formed and is now starting a grading company. What has become market-acceptable for problem-free is, in some cases, ridiculous. The original patina is 90% gone from the coin in question. That only happens when it's cleaned

Also, gradflation is so rampant that coins previously graded Choice Very Fine are being called About Uncirculated for example. It's really gotten to the point that only money drives numismatics and new collectors at being driven away. Off my soapbox now.

Best of luck to you. $150 wasn't too bad a deal here. But even if it were a problem-free VF35 there is nothing to gain by TPG unless you want to try it for fun. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's your money.

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 Posted 12/10/2022  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first pictures look like the coin took a sandblasting. That's probably why the price was low on this one.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The main reason to have a coin graded is to verify its authenticity. I did not see matches for this coin with the 3 most common fake 1921 Peace dies that float around, so I would imagine it's the real deal.

Otherwise you're basically paying $40-$60 to have some random person give you a grade opinion and put it on a label in plastic. We can give you the same grade opinions here for free.

$150 is full retail for this coin in this grade with the possible issues. Spending 1/3 of that again just to get it in a holder seems a waste, but it's your money, and you can spend it however you like.
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 Posted 12/10/2022  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even if it were problem-free the value does not really justify a grading fee. The 1921 Peace is popular and easy to sell. If you want a slabbed example I suggest you sell this one (or maybe get a refund?) and go shopping for one that is already certified.
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 Posted 12/28/2022  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF-30 details, cleaned.
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