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 Posted 06/02/2021  01:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ukraine 1M and 2M Karbantsiv...somethings.






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 Posted 06/02/2021  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are 2 notes that I ended getting as duplicates as they took so long. The 1000 Escudos is from a later series, you can even see the differences between them. Sadly no real write up as I covered both of them, the 1000 escudos pricing is all over the place. I think there are rarer versions, but I don't know. Can any one recommend a guide to foreign currency?

I did end up ordering an older note from Portugal, which I'll post when it comes in.

Here are the duplicates, this is the 1980 series of 1000 escudos. The main differences are:
To the right of the portrait the field is lighter with less detail
The serial number font is plain/smaller
In 1968 they had a Vice Governor, in 1980 they had a Governor




The 2nd duplicate is a 500 escudos (same series date)


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 Posted 06/02/2021  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@celtic know, how do you know its Ukraine?
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 Posted 06/02/2021  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Ukraine 1M and 2M Karbantsiv...somethings.
Very interesting. A lot of text on those.


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These are 2 notes that I ended getting as duplicates as they took so long.
Nice pair!
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 Posted 06/02/2021  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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@celtic, how do you know its Ukraine?

@hfjacinto, they were advertised as such on the auction and I cross-referenced with Krause.

By the way, these notes are HUGE.
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 Posted 06/03/2021  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Check walk2dwater's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Here are the duplicates, this is the 1980 series of 1000 escudos. The main differences are:
To the right of the portrait the field is lighter with less detail
The serial number font is plain/smaller
In 1968 they had a Vice Governor, in 1980 they had a Governor

While the denominations are the same, I wouldn't call these two 1000 Escudos notes 'duplicates.' The series starts with a Governor, then changes to Vice Governor & evolves over time.

The first note looks to be P-175a(6) which is the first time Emílio Rui da Veiga Peixoto Vilar's signature is introduced as Vice Governor. The 'Administrator' is Walter Waldemar Pego Marques & P-175a has 13 different signature versions. It would be interesting to know how common (or tough) P-175a(6) is.

The 1980 note is P-175b(2). There were 8 versions (signature combos) for the 1980 note & as you noted, they revert to "Governor.' There are also 3 more versions of P-175. See: http://www.banknote.ws/COLLECTION/c.../POR0175.htm
If you go by Numista https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note202260.html, it appears that the P-175d (SEPT 1982) was the least common variety (a little under 10M issued for that particular version).

The bank not museum (or Numista) will also have stats/data on your two 500 Escudo nots (which are also likely different versions of that series).
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 Posted 06/03/2021  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@walk2water,

Thank you for that.

You are correct, nether are "duplicates"

The 500 Escudos is

170b(4)
06.09.1979
signatures: José da Silva Lopes & Walter Waldemar Pego Marques

And

170b(6)
06.09.1979
signatures: José da Silva Lopes & Abel António Pinto dos Reis

Neither are rare, with these 2 being the most common.
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 Posted 06/03/2021  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@walk2water,

Thank you for those webpages! I updated my currency manager software with all the information, like signature and number.
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 Posted 06/04/2021  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like I said I like notes that come with cool stamps. Today's stamps.



Today's note is 20 Escudos from July 26, 1960. (Thanks to Walk2Water for the websites)
This is 163a(3)
signatures:
Rafael da Silva Neves Duque & João Emílio Raposo de Magalhães

According to Numista, this is one of the rarer signature combinations.

On the Obverse you have António Luís de Meneses who was the 1st Marquis of Marialva and 3rd Count of Cantanhede (13 December 1596 - 16 August 1675), and was a member of the Forty Conspirators and a Portuguese general who fought in the Portuguese Restoration War, that ended the Iberian Union between Portugal and Spain.

Meneses was born in a noble family - his father was Dom Pedro de Menezes, 2nd count of Cantanhede, and his mother Dona Constança de Gusmão (daughter of Rui Gonçalves da Câmara, 1st count of Vila Franca). He took active part in the storming of the residence and the capture of the Duchess of Mantua, who governed Portugal in the name of Philip IV of Spain (Philip III of Portugal). He participated in almost every battle of the Portuguese Restoration War between 1641 and 1665. His greatest victories were the Battle of the Lines of Elvas in 1659 and the Battle of Montes Claros in 1665. He was present at the signing of the Treaty of Lisbon on 13 February 1668.


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And the beautiful city of Mealhada in the Cantanhede region.




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 Posted 06/04/2021  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice!

As always, the additional location photos are appreciated.
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 Posted 06/05/2021  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice... is that last photo of kiwi fruit?
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 Posted 06/05/2021  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Nice... is that last photo of kiwi frui


Yep, that was a kiwi vine full of fruit, just not yet ripe.
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 Posted 06/11/2021  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An another forum, I won this great Russian coupon in a contest. I had a friend of mine translate:

" Tier 1, Series Number 5427.
16 December year 1924.
To the person that produces this coupon based on a nominal 200 ruble ticket based on an internal federal 4.5% (Treasury bond?) Of 1917, is to receive 4 rubles and 50 cents without any withholdings of income of monetary capital. 4 rubles 50 cents.
Ticket Number 72.
Controller of the government commission of debt reduction (signature).
Valid for 10 years."


Printed by American Bank Note Company



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Today's note is 5000 Escudos from the Series of 1/27/1981
Pick: 182b(3)
Signatures: Manuel Jacinto Nunes & Abel António Pinto dos Reis

The front and reverse of the note feature António Sérgio de Sousa (September 3, 1883 - February 12, 1969) who was an influential educationist, philosopher, journalist, sociologist and essayist from Portugal.

Antonio lived in Portugal under the Salazar regime, which lasted from 1926 to 1974. He was linked to the foundation of the Portuguese Socialist Party and to the Humberto Delgado candidacy of the Presidential Elections of 1958. (Humberto Delgado was later murdered by the PIDE, political police of "Salazarism"). Sérgio was arrested in 1910, 1933, 1935, 1948 and 1958.  As a result of his imprisonment, he found the true "national unity" - to oppose the military dictatorship, first, and then Salazar.

He left an enormous work on Education, Epistemology, Culture, History and Politics, especially in his Essays. Most of the political activity of Sérgio is linked to the idea that true democracy and freedom are a means for Education and Culture.

"The essential principle of democracy is never trust in those who are in the Govern" he wrote. His work influenced many important younger Portuguese, men of culture, science or politics.

This note is from the series of January 27, 1981 and is relatively common as almost 20 million notes were printed (just in that series). But as 5000 Escudos was the 2nd highest denomination printed at the time (on 12/31/1981 this note had a value of ~$76), not many were saved in CU condition.


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