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Does It Make The Grade MS69?

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Its certified by NGC. I was planning on selling it when I saw the spots.





Sorry for the yellowish pics.
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 Posted 01/14/2007  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Irishraider to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mmm, yeh, the spots turn me off also. I actually got a 1999 NGC MS-69 earlier this year and it had actual scratches on it. It caused me to quit trying to complete this set entirely. I was not very pleased. I think I have a couple that have spots on them also. They say the spots come from the mint but even so I would think that NGC would not give it a MS-69 designation with these spots on it. I am becoming less pleased with NGC's stuff lately anyway. I am very tempted to sell the whole batch of them off and start me a PCGS set instead.

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The spots tend to develop down the road, sometimes years after the coin is slabbed. That's why PCGS is officially not designating MS70's in this series.
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quote:
Originally posted by SuperDave

The spots tend to develop down the road, sometimes years after the coin is slabbed. That's why PCGS is officially not designating MS70's in this series.



Perhaps with the spots but I do know that the scratches on the 1999 I have and was slabbed by NGC as MS-69 definitely did not develop after it was slabbed. I wish I had a digital camera and the whole nine yards to be able to take pictures but I just don't have that capability just yet and my scanner doesn't work well at all on coins in slabs. Won't matter as I will probably have it sold by then anyway.

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 Posted 01/14/2007  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I cannot imagine them slabbing a 69 with a visible scratch, anywhere.
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quote:
Originally posted by SuperDave

Yeah, I cannot imagine them slabbing a 69 with a visible scratch, anywhere.



Wish I had a camera Dave. It really caused me to give up the whole idea of trying to complete my NGC MS-69 set.

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Hi Shatsi

Unfortunately the slabs are not airtite and the coins inside can be affected by environmental conditions,, the coin could very well have been a 69 when slabbed , it however today is not .

It is environmentally damaged and NGC would not slab it if sent to them .

and therein lay the TPG fortune !!

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 Posted 01/14/2007  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen those milk spots on alot of the ASE....some in my own collection. Is this from not drying planchets properly...or does someone at the mint sneeze alot or what. Pretty sad really.
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They're all stored in the same way and only 2 of them developed these spots, so can it still be enviromental condition?
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Where were they stored before you got them ? and before that ?

each environment left there mark on the coin ,, its fortunate that only two have developed the spots.

Every coin is different and what happens to them at anytime even before leaving the mint will and can affect them later .

I have seen some mighty ugly coins that were in slabs at grades that were just unbelieveable if the coins looked like that when put in them !



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Thanks for everyone's opinion.

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I had to replace 4 of my ASEs because of the milk dots - 1989, 1990, 1991, and 1999. Out of a complete collection, the 4 listed above are the only ones that developed this blight, so, the question in my mind is - are there specific years that are more prone to this condition, or does it appear that all ASEs will develop these offensive spots over time?

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The milk spot's are from the washing in the mint....
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 Posted 01/20/2007  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bboudrot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS67, but I wouldn't sell it now as the market demand is low.
Did you break it out of the slab to take that picture? - it looks to me that you did. I have a 1989 ASE and I can't take a good coin picture with it in the slab.
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