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1822 Counterfeit Large Cent

 
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 Posted 04/14/2012  12:29 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Okay, this one has been bothering me for some time. It appears to be a cast large cent from expired dies with the obverse die dated 1822. The material is definitely not copper. It is gray in color and most likely pewter? Here's the cool part, It's a dug coin that was pulled from my grandmothers' garden by my grandmother back in the early sixties in upstate NY. Do any of you early copper guys have any experience with this sort of anomaly? As you can see from the photos it's a bit rough. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.



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 Posted 04/14/2012  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like it! Then again, I tend to like things like that. :-)

Looks (at least from those pictures) like a cast counterfeit of a 1922 Coronet Large Cent alright.

Why one would counterfeit a cent back then is a bit beyond me as back then they were worth about what a modern quarter is worth today, and in modern times they're a common date for the series (so it wouldn't be a target for modern counterfeiting in the 60s).

Perhaps there was an enterprising precursor to Henning? :-)
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 Posted 04/14/2012  01:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I kind of figured this one would raise your eyebrow, Steve. From what I read somewhere a while back, at certain periods of time there were shortages of small denomination coins and people came up with ways to make coinage by casting coins using expired dies. I think this may be one but I have never heard of this date Large Cent. I believe if there is one there must be another somewhere.
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 Posted 04/14/2012  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey, very neat.
And probably very collectible.
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 Posted 04/17/2012  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What does it weigh? I won't condemn it just based on the color (burial in the ground can do strange things), and the die variety matches up with N-5. If the weight is correct I would suspect just a damaged corroded N-5.
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 Posted 04/17/2012  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I weighed it about seven years ago and the weight was way off. I'm thinking it was low but not sure it's been so long. I'll have to dig it out and check it again.
It's definitely not copper. It has a totally different ring to it. The lines on the reverse going through the word AMERICA and the other that is hard to pick up in the photo going through the word UNITED are raised above the level of the letters themselves.
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 Posted 04/17/2012  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does the rim's edge show a seam?
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 Posted 04/17/2012  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Remember not all counterfeits were done as actual counterfeits for monetary scandal. I remember as a kid that a few of my friends and I thought it would be great to be able to make a lead copy of a coin just for the fun of it. We were just playing around making pellets for our air guns and got curious about how to make molds of things with plaster of paris and molten lead (had a LOT of excess fishing sinkers). We once made a great looking OBV of a JFK, but were not clever enough to get a "good" copy made.
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 Posted 04/18/2012  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The raised lines could be the result of corrosion eating away the surrounding material.
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 Posted 04/18/2012  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a better shot of the obverse and reverse along with a couple of rim shots. I scratched the rim and it's definetly not copper. I didn't get a chance to weigh it yet but it's very light.









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 Posted 04/20/2012  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The weight is 8.5 grams and the diameter is correct. Is this too light to be a worn corroded copper planchet?
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 Posted 04/21/2012  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
2.3 grams underweight, yes I would have to say that is to light for a worn corroded cent.
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