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Rant: Why Doesn't Canada Have Prime Ministers On Coins?

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 Posted 02/21/2021  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TTmom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
whst is the denomination of this Churchill crown?

@Ottawa ---- is this not Canadian?
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 Posted 02/21/2021  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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whst is the denomination of this Churchill crown?

The denomination is One Crown or Five Shillings (it predates the UK's transition to the decimal system in 1971).


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is this not Canadian?

No. The Churchill Crown is not a Canadian coin. It is a coin issued in the UK.


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 Posted 02/21/2021  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TTmom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The denomination is One Crown or Five Shillings (it predates the UK's transition to the decimal system in 1971).


how do I know that is the denomination? 'just becuz?' --- that's something 'everybody' knows?
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 Posted 02/21/2021  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The same way you know that a nickel is five cents a crown is five shillings.
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 Posted 02/21/2021  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TTmom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The same way you know that a nickel is five cents a crown is five shillings.


ok. but how do I know this is a crown? the size?

sorry newbie here. trying to learn a little bit!
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 Posted 02/21/2021  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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ok. but how do I know this is a crown? the size?

Yes.

Britain issued numerous crown designs, both as 5 shillings and (after 1970) as 25 new pence, all without the denomination inscribed on them. People knew they were crowns because of the size and weight. The only British crowns that actually said "1 crown" or "5 shillings" on them were issued from the 1920s to the 1950s.
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 Posted 02/21/2021  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As for the OP's suggestion:

Canada, unlike Australia, does not seem to have any regulations in place governing what can and cannot be placed on the coinage. The only regulation I can find is that any inscription or legend on the coin must be in both of Canada's official languages. So, the tradition that non-royal living people (or deceased people, for that matter) cannot appear on the coinage is just that - a tradition. It's a tradition that's been around for over 100 years, so it's not likely to be broken without a darn good reason.

If you think that a series of coins commemorating past prime ministers, either for circulation or NCLT, would be a good idea, then there is a process where members of the public can submit coinage design suggestions. Snail-mail the suggestion to Product Team, Royal Canadian Mint, 320 Sussex Drive Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0G8 or send an e-mail to themes@mint_ca (with a dot instead of underscore). Note that any suggestions submitted to them become their intellectual property, so you will receive no reward or commission if they actually accept your suggestion.

I would suggest that "prime ministers" are too "political" a topic for coinage; as others stated long ago (this is quite an old thread), most PMs had a political alignment, and thus opinion on coins depicting certain PMs could be quite polarizing. The Queen, and the royal family generally, are non-political.
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 Posted 02/21/2021  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I would suggest that "prime ministers" are too "political" a topic for coinage; as others stated long ago (this is quite an old thread), most PMs had a political alignment, and thus opinion on coins depicting certain PMs could be quite polarizing.

I find this perspective very interesting. The US is just now finishing a Presidential $1 coin program that included a coin for each deceased president. Every US president was/is affiliated with a specific political party and had/has an agenda fueled by his political leanings. Popular opinions on each were/are divided (sometimes dramatically!). I bet the people of Canada could handle a coin series of its Prime Ministers!


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 Posted 02/21/2021  11:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I bet the people of Canada could handle a coin series of its Prime Ministers!
Not likely!
And never on circulating coins.
Look at our paper money, our first PM has lost his place on the ten dollar bill and soon the five will be without a PM's portrait. The goal is to remove all PMs from our currency and replace them with non-political figures.
As Sap suggested PMs are too political for Canadians to memorialize.
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 Posted 02/22/2021  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Not likely!
And never on circulating coins.

That simultaneously surprises and disappoints me. I don't live in Canada, however, so I have no sense of the "sentiment on the street."

That said, I still think it would make for an interesting, historical and educational coin set!


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 Posted 02/22/2021  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with commems. The 2015 anniversary coins for Sir John A. Macdonald was a good start, especially the $20 silver coin. Using anniversaries seems like a reasonably "neutral" approach and can be very educational with the right promotion. The 2015 coins also included a circulation twoonie which was a nice touch.

Birds, animals, flowers, etc. have all been overdone.
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 Posted 02/23/2021  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vonigohcr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There have been medallion sets of the Prime Ministers of Canada but I agree with the sentiment that Prime Ministers are not great subject matter for coinage. There are a few fundamental differences between political systems in the US and Canada. The US president is the head of state. The Canadian (as with British & Australian) head of state is the Queen (or previously King). The US President is elected and retains the office for one or more 4 year terms unless they befall a tragedy (Kennedy/Lincoln/FDR and 5 others). The Canadian Prime Minister can be bounced based on actions in parliament or at the end of a 5 year term. Charles Tupper served 69 days. John Turner 79 days and Kim Campbell 132... In addition, not all Prime Ministers are elected; neither Kim Campbell or John Turner were elected by the Canadian people but took the reigns (misspelling intentional) of their parties after the prior PM resigned. In the US, only one president...Gerald Ford... was not elected.

The closest analogue the PM has in the US system is the Speaker of the House and I doubt that there would be much support for a US coin series featuring Nancy Pelosi, Newt Gingrich et al. (Note, I am attempting to remain a-political by referencing members of both parties, Canadian & US... I am not making a political statement only a reflection on the relative positions of the parties).

It is true that the Canadian PM is closer to the Head of State than the Speaker of the House in the US however, the nature of the role and the fact that there is actually a head of state in the monarch, suggests that the Canadian PM is not a great candidate for commemoration on a Coin. Additionally, in the US, the president does not show up on currency until they are no longer alive. While that could apply in Canada... the monarch is depicted only when alive... certain commemoratives excepted. I could be wrong but wasn't JFK the fastest depiction on currency of a past president appearing on the 50c coin only a year after he was assassinated?

Sir John A. was on a coin more as a reflection of the events in his time and his role as the first Prime Minister of Canada... History of Canada vs. commemorating the man. Canada's prime ministers are reflected on the bills with MacDonald, Mackenzie King, Laurier and Borden sharing the stage with the Queen.

I think that the inclusion of Churchill on the last 5 shilling crown was a reflection of his contribution to the war effort... He was definitely not overwhelmingly loved in the UK either before or after the 2nd World War as his election record shows whereas there have been countless crowns commemorating non-political the Royal family and all sorts of royal events... weddings, birthdays, jubilees, deaths in both the UK and Canada.


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Birds, animals, flowers, etc. have all been overdone.


That said, there are plenty of Canadian historical figures and events as well as geographic diversity that can be celebrated that will outlast and dare I say it... outshine a prime minister. Some highlights from the past that are not yet "old".. 1st nations art and the mask series is almost always compelling. The recent 3 coin coastal gold series...Atlantic, Arctic and Pacific. Provincial inclusion in Canada... Isn't 2021 the 150th anniversary of BC's inclusion in Canada? When it comes to flowers or other items that have been "done before", it is the quality of the engraving that counts... I am currently in a quest to complete the series of Provincial Flowers depicted on the $350 Gold from 1999-2011 as I find them captivating in the contrast between the detailed image bound on the larger flat field. I haven't actually seen a compelling maple leaf coin in some time.

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 Posted 02/23/2021  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNWType to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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What a great read! I was of the simple opinion that because the Queen is head of state, PMs won't go on Canadian coinage, but your explanation of the standing of a PM compared to the standing of a president was extremely interesting and eye-opening.


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I doubt that there would be much support for a US coin series featuring Nancy Pelosi, Newt Gingrich et al


Couldn't agree more
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 Posted 02/24/2021  03:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wilsonwu89 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Omg I'd totally buy a coin commemorating Jean Chretien strangling that guy.

Someone made a beer commemorating that moment and Jean Chretien endorsed it
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Omg I'd totally buy a coin commemorating Jean Chretien strangling that guy.

Someone made a beer commemorating that moment and Jean Chretien endorsed it


The beer is called "Shawinigan Handshake", released by a micro-brewery in Shawinigan (Trou du Diable). It won awards for 'Canada's best strong wheat beer'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawinigan_Handshake

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