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 Posted 01/26/2020  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ScotsGreyhound to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@notgeldman I have around 60 items, I'm more into world banknotes to be honest, I have them stored in a binder alongside my German banknotes.
I bid on a couple of notgeld lots out of curiosity & got them a while back, I'd say that I prefer earlier notgeld, around WWI. My favourite piece is from 1916, 10 pfennig issued Quedlinburg p.o.w camp, from a history point of view.



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 Posted 01/26/2020  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@notgeldman, yes I agree with you. We weren't exactly talking about the same thing. I thinking that we were thinking of different aspects of collecting. If you just want a good variety you can get 1000 different for Euro 400, but yes if you want complete sets of the slightly less common ones, or want to fill in the blanks, this will not help after the second purchase. That is why I did not get a third batch of 1000.

My Grabowski/ Mehl catalogue (2009) does show 100s of expensive ones, but given that there are thousands that are not, the vast majority 90%) ARE inexpensive.

Anyhow,collecting styles differ and the bulk style gives a lot of inexpensive fun, but certainly quickly reaches its limits for a more comprehensive collection, which I agree can quickly add up.

It is kind of like bulk world coin lots-good for beginners but of limited value for long time collectors.

On a slightly different note, are you by any chance Tony? If so I think that you are the person I made a number of purchases from some years back. No complaints about them, if you are wondering.
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 Posted 01/27/2020  11:51 am  Show Profile   Check notgeldman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add notgeldman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@oriole - Yes - I am Tony (TG-M). Its good to chat notgeld again! The great thing about notgeld collecting is the vast subject matter, the differing areas of interest it can cover and, as you mention, the fairly low price for the average piece...............and you can get a nice little collection together with those.

@ScotsGreyhound - you are probably aware that the Quedlinburg note you have from 1916 is from the notgeld category 'KGL' (Kriegsgefangenenlager - P.O.W).

Here is a lovely 'set' of 3 KGL pieces dating from 1917 from the Officer P.O.W camp at Celle:




Several of the P.O.W / KGL issues, used the same basic design of note, but then stamped their location on the back of the notes. Collectors will see these types fairly easily out there.....


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 Posted 01/27/2020  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@notgeldman, my notgeld collecting has kind of been on hold for a number of years, partly because it is hard to find much variety in North America. Also, I had got most of the cheaper ones. I may get back into it, but am certainly hanging on to my collection for now.

I had pretty good success from Anton Geiger in Germany-he wrote the catalogue I have on Grosnotgeld. I don't know if he is still in business.
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 Posted 01/28/2020  02:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ScotsGreyhound to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@notgeldman, thanks for posting those p.o.w. sets.
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 Posted 01/29/2020  07:41 am  Show Profile   Check notgeldman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add notgeldman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anton Geiger is a lovely and very knowledgeable guy. I met him on several occasions and we just 'hit it off' on the notgeld front. I had been writing to him about notgeld since I was around 10 years old.......so it was great when I actually met him, face-to-face. He was able to help me a lot over the years, but unfortunately he is no longer dealing in notgeld.
I've met in person other notgeld dealers, experts and catalogue writers of course.......Colin Narbeth from the IBNS, who is unfortunately no longer with us,.....Reinhard Tieste and Kai Lindman for example. When I got into notgeld collecting, I really did put a lot of effort, energy and money into building up my notgeld collection.............which, by the way, I am now slowly selling off in my retirement. The German notgeld experts seemed slightly puzzled why a young boy from England was so passionate and much more knowledgeable than the casual collector about the notgeld from their country. It's the 'collector' in me......which I got from my Dad. He used to collector lots of things.....and as he always taught me and told me............if you are going to collect something, do it properly and find everything out that there is to know about the subject and one day, you might even become a subject matter expert.........even if I say it myself. I'm still learning things about the notgeld issues, even after 46 years of collecting!
Below is one of my favourite notgeld, issued in Papenburg.

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Below is one of my favourite notgeld, issued in Papenburg.
Very nice!
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 Posted 01/31/2020  07:24 am  Show Profile   Check notgeldman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add notgeldman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It shows the German official, collecting his taxes.....but the poor man hasn't even got enough money for food. I like the note because of the depiction, but also because it has what it is, clearly on it - NOTGELD. The town of issue is clear as well - Papenburg, along with the note's face value - 75pf. It is clearly a piece of serienscheine notgeld so the date of issue is 1921. At the bottom of the note, it states:

'The money must be taken from the people / You can't shake it from the trees.'
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 Posted 01/31/2020  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, that Papenberg piece is a classic. It could be issued today and be just as relevant.
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 Posted 02/01/2020  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Check notgeldman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add notgeldman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I really like the look and design of this 20m note.



Issued in Niederlahnstein and dating from 1922, it is a 'grossgeld' piece of notgeld (ie) it's face value is over 1 mark. If the face value was in pfennigs - less than 1m (100 pfennigs) then it would be a piece of 'kleingeld'.
The note comes in 3 colours:



I'll have to do a bit of research now and find out what the press, devil and the money coming out of the man really represent......and what it says........watch this space!....
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 Posted 02/02/2020  11:44 am  Show Profile   Check notgeldman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add notgeldman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The verse states:

'The Entertainment Tax, the Curfew Tax and the Guest Tax are unpopular but very dear; and people owning property and land and people in business and industry are now complaining as they've never complained before about being throttled! Despite that, folks, let us tell you that weeping and whining won't help you, the municipal purse is empty, so hand over your cash!'
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 Posted 02/02/2020  11:45 am  Show Profile   Check notgeldman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add notgeldman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a full article on my very informative notgeld website for people who want further info.
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 Posted 02/03/2020  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I really like the look and design of this 20m note.
Very nice!
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