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 Posted 07/16/2019  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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While I haven't started a low-ball collection, YET, if I were to start one, this is the one I would start with.
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 Posted 07/17/2019  05:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thoughts on this one?




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 Posted 07/18/2019  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Check Wade's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The arc is nearly identical to the circumference of the coins itself, leads me to think that perhaps a slice of webbing found it's way into the chamber as a "struck through", or perhaps even the collar itself was involved.

Really interesting piece - I want one !

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 Posted 07/18/2019  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Check ainsivalavie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Purelywasted: Thoughts on this one?

@Purelywasted:
If I'm not mistaken, it's an incomplete clip. This type of error usually occurs during the creation of blanks (Often at the time the machine is restarted after a sudden interruption, or during set-up of equipment).

This is a relatively well known type of error. Otherwise, there are many post mint damage that try to pretend to be authentic, but I believe that the error on your token is indeed authentic.


Example that may differ on decimal coins:
http://www.coinscan.com/mintingvari...mpletec.html

Maybe someone else could confirm or disprove my hypothesis?
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 Posted 07/20/2019  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dorado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ Wade

Penny T.S. Brown & Co

Very nice!
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 Posted 07/28/2019  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks ainsivalavie and wade, looks a lot like the quarter on the coinscan site.
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 Posted 08/19/2019  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Check 1960NYGiants's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1960NYGiants to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My newest addition - PCGS MS63BN. I believe it is Courteau #290.

https://www.PCGS.com/cert/36973866

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 Posted 08/19/2019  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Check ainsivalavie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1960NYGiants: My newest addition. I believe it is Courteau #290.

https://www.PCGS.com/cert/36973866

@1960NYGiants:

You're right.

An anecdote about the variety courteau #290, according to my research to date, it is the pair of dies that struck the most tokens in this series (Breton #719 & #720).

And more precisely concerning the issue of the 1 Penny 1857, about 9.9% of the tokens that have reached us today come from this combination of dies.
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 Posted 08/19/2019  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Check 1960NYGiants's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1960NYGiants to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ainsivalavie - thank you.

What isn't mentioned in your book is that the N of oNe, the E's in tokEn and pEnny are both re-entered slightly to the right. As seen in the large PCGS photo linked above.
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 Posted 08/19/2019  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greatcollections to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We recently graded this token for a client. Not many known of this type.

- Ian

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 Posted 08/20/2019  01:39 am  Show Profile   Check ainsivalavie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ainsivalavie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1960NYGiants:

What isn't mentioned in your book is that the N of oNe, the E's in tokEn and pEnny are both re-entered slightly to the right. As seen in the large PCGS photo linked above.

@1960NYGiants:

Thank you for your feedback, it's really appreciated. I would like more people to do the same.

But concerning the absence in my book of the details you mentioned, there are relatively some good reasons.

In Courteau's original work, the author tries to find a series of unique elements, or even a single element, that would describe a combination of dies in as few words as possible. Thus, for the reverse of Courteau #290/#291, the die crack above anchor's left fluke is a fairly good indicator for the group #1.

And not to mention that the characteristics you describe are present on other dies used for the 1857 issue, and they are relatively minor for this series of tokens.

But having seen some of the die descriptions presented by ColonialTokens (Doug), which have a lot of characteristics of mentioned, I imagine that in his eventual forthcoming book these details will be present.
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 Posted 08/24/2019  12:08 am  Show Profile   Check 1960NYGiants's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 1960NYGiants to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a purchase from the Calgary RCNA. LC-16A1, thick flan 11.3g, reeded edge. I grade it as VF 25/30.




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