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@yellow88

Under what legitimate circumstances does a person NEED plausible deniability? ..and please explain to me again how Informed Delivery forfeits it.
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When signing up for informed delivery you are doing it willfully and giving your consent. The sign-up process is hugely flawed especially in regards to them confirming your identity. One scary huge flaw is that some unstable and/or vindictive person can sign you up, without you knowing and there's a large time gap between you finding this out and correcting it.


I had to print out a barcode from my already once verified USPS account, then take the barcode with my photo ID to the Post Office so both could be scanned to activate it. I don't see the flaw in it.
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When I signed up for Informed Delivery a while back, it was immediate and entirely online. There was no additional confirmation that I recall (on the other hand, I already had an account with USPS for having purchased stamps and supplies). The process of scanning a barcode and visiting the local post office is news to me.
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So how would a PO delivery person know there was a valuable coin inside the box?

He may not know it is a valuable COIN, but the amount of the postage/insurance can tell them it is a valuable ITEM.
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@nss-52 I too am very confused about this. I signed up for informed delivery but all it does is send me emails with images of the fronts of letters. Why does this change anything?

Any concrete examples of what liability this service could open us up to would be most appreciated.
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Any concrete examples of what liability this service could open us up to would be most appreciated.


Maybe yellow88 will tell us.
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Anybody can signup for any address and see all the mail being delivered. There's no proof required.

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Anybody can signup for any address and see all the mail being delivered. There's no proof required.


This is false.
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To OP: I would contact the cc company for reimbursement.
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Considering the OP was four years ago its probably already been settled.
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If you are tired of delivery incompetence, either by UPS or FEDEX or the USPO, and you buy a lot of coins, it will be worth your time to just rent a p.o. box with signature required. the post office will put a yellow delivery notice in your box, you go to the parcel delivery window, sign for it, receive it and that is the end of your problem... usually. of course, that does not mean that the post office will mishandle your package. I once got a multiple gold coin set in which two of the coins escaped their capsules and one rubbed against a metal ring in the package, completely ruining the coin with scratches.

I always ask the seller now if they could put some tape around the capsule and add enough material so that the capsule will not escape the indentation for the capsule. I also will not buy any coin which the seller uses "ground delivery". In these cases, I ask the seller to send it by the post office insured with signature and that I will pay the extra amount. if they do not, I simply do not buy the coin because I am tired of missing and mis-delivered coins and literally chasing the delivery truck down once it enters my property (there are several homes located on the farm I live on and the ground delivery ALWAYS goes to the wrong house and drops it off at my neighbor, who fortunately is honest. This is despite me writing specific simple directions to my home.

I once chased down a fedex truck once who was headed for the wrong house and asked the driver why she did not simply follow the directions on the package. her reply was that she never looks what is written on the package other than the direct address, she only reads what her computer tells her... the specific directions were/are not added onto the computer.

It's the same old attitude with everything else... their attitude, nomatter what kind of business is "hey, it's not MY coin/boat/item, whatever".

I never got over a lost coin once that was delivered by ground service. After tracking showed that it had been delivered (but not to me), when I asked the dispatch the next day (before memories get hazed) if the delivery person could show me where he or she physically show me where they delivered the package, the dispatch actually laughed at me AND HUNG UP ON ME. (and I was being nice).

Now, I now that these are the days when it seems that EVERYBODY if offended over EVERYTHING), but I am talking about a valuable coin for crying out loud.

The old "The customer is always right" term is obviously not in fashion these days with customer "service". The customer is not always right but often is. With that being said, These days, the customer is always wrong, no matter what proof you have that THEY are the wrong ones.

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Sorry to contribute to this thread late. I lost ~$80 in ebay sales due to a local PO worker stealing rolls from my packages I shipped. They have been since removed from their position, but my claims denied.
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