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 Posted 02/09/2015  12:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This will be second incarnation of Game of the Contemporary Civilizations. Back by popular demand, the game challenges the boards members to examine the world through their most beloved coins. The objective is to post a coin (ancient forgery or mint product) within your collection that shared the world with the coin of the day. To expand a little on that, Say the original post coin or coins that were in circulation, revalued, counter marked, or otherwise in use during the period of accepted date(s) for the coin or counter marks.

For Example:
The Host of the Day posts a coin of the Emperor Gordian III, (ruling the Roman Empire AD 238-244), a contemporary coin would be a coin from the same ruler but of a different province (least desired valid response), or one may post a coin of Persian Shah Ardashir I (r. AD 224-242) or Shapur I (r.AD 240-270) (most desired valid response.)

There exists coins with blanket dates for many periods, coins with a blanket date CAN be a valid response, cut a criteria must be met, 1) The coin must have a blanket date no greater than 100 years. 2) the coin was in use during the use of the Host coin. 3)no further dating info on the contestant coin is available.

For example:
The Host coin is Gordian III (r.AD 238 -244) a coin of Ancient Burma with a blanket date of 3rd century AD is a valid response. Due to lack of historical record.

Example 2: If the Host posts a coin struck by Philip I (r. 244-249)AD COS III, AD 248. The host provides an exact date. The challenge would be to find another coin that is not Phillip COS III of the same mint but rather a coin that was in use in AD 248 through the end of 249. A coin from AD 275-300 would not a valid response considering the world was a different place in AD 300 then it was in AD 248.

Example 3: The Host posts a coin of Ancient Burma c. Third century AD, then there will be coins of many contestants from AD 200-AD 300.

Example 4: The Host posts a coin of Domition countermarked by Ostrogoths. Responses can be made in regards to the coin date of the countermark. Coins from the reign of Domition, and coins of the reign of Theodoric.

Example 5: Host posts a dated coin of Khusro II. Khusro II for a very long time. His coins would have many contemporaries.

The Host is a completely volunteer position. Anyone way be the host for the day.

I hope this encourages the lurkers and new guys to issue challenges and see who inhabited the world with their coins. This is a great opportunity to see a snap shot in time, and to learn to recognize the metal fabric, corrosion types, coin types and other conditional factors common to the eras.

The first challenge of game will be to post a coin contemporary of this coin. You coin must have been in circulation from AD 224-242.


The King pictured here was a powerful and wise military leader who usherd in a new era for Persia. He sought to remove the influence of the Hellenistic Period and the culture of the Parthians who long ruled Persia. He sought to restore Persia to the glory it had enjoyed before the defeat by Alexander the Great and the subjugation of the previous 5 centuries. Once in power he would declare himself the king of kings would start a dynasty that would last until the Arab conquests of the mid 7th century.

(r.224-242 AD)
Ctesiphon, Iraq
Ardashir I (b.180-242 AD d.)(r.224-242 AD)
Ar Drachm 24.6 mm x 4.13 grams
Obverse: Cuirassed bust of Ardashir I right in Parthian Headdress. Pahlavi legend- MAZDISN BAGI ARTAHSHATER MALKAN AIRAN"of the worshiper of Mazda, the divine Ardashir, King of Kings of Iran"
Reverse: Zoroastrian Fire Alter with two attendants Pahlavi legend "NURAZI ARTASHATR "Fire of Ardashir"
ref:Gobl type III/2


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02/09/2015 12:57 pm
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 Posted 02/09/2015  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a headache.
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 Posted 02/09/2015  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Check echizento's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a good idea, but it might be a bit too complicated for some, including me. Like Pish said I have a headache too. But I'll give anything a try.







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 Posted 02/09/2015  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice job Echizento you gave a valid response. PISH, blame Medieval.
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 Posted 02/09/2015  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm... well I will watch. Trouble is, I only collect Greek and Roman. Greek is pretty much BC and once you post a Roman Emperor, I am out. However, it will be educational, I will watch with interest.
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 Posted 02/09/2015  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
blame Medieval.


Don't blame me!
(But I have broad shoulders, so I will survive that.)
You have a full day to fiddle with the rules and update the op to lure more people in.

Having said that, I believe this coin meet the rules:





AE Unit minted in Taxila by Kanishka II (~AD230-AD250) - Mitchiner#2507+

Obverse: King standing with Brakmi "Vi" in field
Reverse: Goddess Ardoksho enthroned, tamgha left, "ARDOXRO" right.
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 Posted 02/09/2015  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great call on the Kanishka II.

In the spirit of the thread.


We have Damasena Kardamaka son of Rudrasimha I r.222-238 the Western Satraps in Western India. This coin struck AD 235, Year 157 of the Saka Era.



aaaannndd... Vijayasena Kardamaka son of Damasena r. AD 239-251, dated in the 164 of the Saka Era, AD 242. Just made it.


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 Posted 02/09/2015  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Who would like to step up and volunteer to do tomorrows contemporary coin?
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 Posted 02/09/2015  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now, how does it go on from here?
If you want to stick to minting periods, fair enough. But as 'pishpash' said, that is quite restrictive for some who are specialised in one area. While there are overlapping minting periods for some emperors, there are as well some where there is no overlap at all. And when there is a short reign, one might get stuck.
You mention circulation in the op. What was the circulation period of a coin? While there were instances where coins were quickly withdrawn after a change in government, in most cases coins (especially base metal ones) continued to be used for some time - in China sometimes more than 1500 years (Some Wu Chu coins from the Han dynasty were still used in the 19th century). Perhaps allow for a circulation period (12 years?, 30 years?) after the minting period of the coin ended to make it more flexible and get more people to participate.
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 Posted 02/09/2015  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Who would like to step up and volunteer to do tomorrows contemporary coin?


Was typing when you posted this.
If I understand right, you want a daily snap-shot of contemporary coinage around the world during a particular time. This will certainly be informative, but how many people will contribute (especially taking into account what I said above).
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 Posted 02/09/2015  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I WILL DO IT!

At least I will be able to post a coin!
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 Posted 02/09/2015  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Was tempted to suggest you 'pishpash' - so yes, you have my vote.
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I have a question. Presumably you can post a co-emperor, what about their Caesars?
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If I understand it right, you could as well post a republican coin with a known minting period - would be nasty though to pick a specific moneyer.
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I am pretty much lost on Republicans, I just wanted to know if Caesar's were excluded, but as they had coins, I guess not.
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@MedievalAgreed. There are many exceptions. If someone post a moneyer in 112 BC, it would unfair to make other search for the same moneyer we can estimate a period of 50 years of circulation. issues before year zero or address each questionable coin with a discussion. Opinions. You see the difficulty in this. It is a great idea, but tough to execute.

@Pish since you will probably be in bed soon why don't you post the next coin and we can play it by ear.
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