Coin Community Family of Web Sites
Like us on Facebook! Subscribe to our Youtube Channel! Check out our Twitter! Check out our Pinterest!
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some coins?
Our coin forum is completely free! Register Now!

US Coin Grades

 
Previous Page | Next Page | Last Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic
Page: of 4
Pillar of the Community
United States
3060 Posts
 Posted 09/07/2006  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Guido

I have a more general question regarding MS70 verses PF70 coins. I know the difference is uncirculated vs. proof, but in terms of value or price, which coin is more expensive or valuable? I am looking at more recent dated coins, such as ASE silver and gold coins.

Thanks


The answer to your question depends on a LOT of different factors. For one, how many exist in that particular grade (regardless if it's a business strike or Proof)? Which holder is it in? No knowledgable collector will buy a raw coin as a 70. What series is the coin? How popular is the coin/year/series? Etc, etc, etc.

If you have questions about a specific coin, hoist it up on one of the other sections/forums on this site. One of us can certainly give you some guidance.
Specializing in 2-3-20 cent pieces and 19th Century Proofs
Did someone mention 3CN?
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
14454 Posts
 Posted 09/07/2006  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another thing, I know you said you were asking about ASE's but if the coin is a Business strike and has the MS-70 grade it can be worth a whole lot more than a proof-70, but just keep in mind, PCGS has only ever granted the MS-70 to one coin so far (in their 20 years of business) a MS-70 that was a coin that was supposed to go from the mint straight into circulation and that coin will soon be at auction on teletrade, its a 2003 Lincoln Cent and we will just have to wait and see what kind of MoonMoney it brings
Forum Mom
Learn More...
United States
5796 Posts
 Posted 09/09/2006  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Prethen

Susan, I know this sounds picky, but some of the definition terms are a bit off.
MS60-62/PF60-62 - Uncirculated or Brilliant Uncirculated (BU)/Proof (Proof 60 is on the verge of Impaired Proof)
MS63-64/PF63-64 - Choice Uncirculated/Proof
MS65/PF65 - Gem Uncirculated/Proof
MS66-69/PF66-69 - Superb Gem Uncirculated/Proof
MS70/PF70 - Perfect



These definitions changed as of 2006. They are much more lenient now than they used to be. I still grade by the old standards which would make:

MS60-62 - Uncirculated
MS63-64 - Brilliant Uncirculated
MS65-66 - Choice Uncirculated
MS67-69 - Choice Gem Uncirculated
MS70 - Perfect

Remember that grading is subjective. As a result of the changes that have been made, I am considered to undergrade my coins.
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
2684 Posts
 Posted 09/09/2006  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since this topic has been refreshed, here's PCGS stated*** grading standards*** http://www.PCGS.com/grades.chtml .

PO-1 Identifiable date and type
FR-2 Mostly worn, though some detail is visible
AG-3 Worn rims but most lettering is readable though worn
G-4 Slightly worn rims, flat detail, peripheral lettering nearly full
G-6 Rims complete with flat detail, peripheral lettering full
VG-8 Design worn with slight detail
VG-10 Design worn with slight detail, slightly clearer
F-12 Some deeply recessed areas with detail, all lettering sharp
F-15 Slightly more detail in the recessed areas, all lettering sharp
VF-20 Some definition of detail, all lettering full and sharp
VF-25 Slightly more definition in the detail and lettering
VF-30 Almost complete detail with flat areas
VF-35 Detail is complete but worn with high points flat
EF-40 Detail is complete with most high points slightly flat
EF-45 Detail is complete with some high points flat
AU-50 Full detail with friction over most of the surface, slight flatness on high points
AU-53 Full detail with friction over 1/2 or more of surface, very slight flatness on high points
AU-55 Full detail with friction on less than 1/2 surface, mainly on high points
AU-58 Full detail with only slight friction on the high points
MS/PR-60 No wear. May have many heavy marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
MS/PR-61 No wear. Multiple heavy marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
MS/PR-62 No wear. Slightly less marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
MS/PR-63 Moderate number/size marks/hairlines, strike may not be full
MS/PR-64 Few marks/hairlines or a couple of severe ones, strike should be average or above
MS/PR-65 Minor marks/hairlines though none in focal areas, above average strike
MS/PR-66 Few minor marks/hairlines not in focal areas, good strike
MS/PR-67 Virtually as struck with minor imperfections, very well struck
MS/PR-68 Virtually as struck with slight imperfections, slightest weakness of strike allowed
MS/PR-69 Virtually as struck with minuscule imperfections, near full strike necessary
MS/PR-70 As struck, with full strike

*** Heavily qualified: PCGS does not necessarily follow its own standards on certain coins or certain series nor is there necessarily uniformity within a series. This is more true in AU and MS coins than in circulated coins.
Valued Member
United States
390 Posts
 Posted 10/08/2006  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Guido to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm trying to get a handle on how different people call different grades of coins. I think I need a glossary to make sense of all the different ways to describe a coin. The problem is that for someone who is still learning, it is nearly impossible to figure out exactly what a coin might really be (this does not include looking at pictures of the coin and trying to put a grade to it as I learn).

So, here are some of the terms I have seen and would like to know where they fall in the scheme of things:

BU - Brilliant Uncirculated (I think this is the same as Mint State? But then you have to decide what MS it would be)

AU++ -Almost Uncirculated, but what about the +'s?

Uncirculated

Excellent

It appears that coins like the above are ungraded by a TPG, and so it is up to the individual to learn what to look for and how to grade them. Very confusing stuff!

It there any way we can get some pictures posted here that show side by side comparisons between the same coins? And then describe what the grade would be based on the current grading scales?

I think this would be great for new collectors such as myself.
Valued Member
France
98 Posts
 Posted 03/17/2007  05:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sinbad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by collect4fun

Someday I would like to get a set together that would exhibit the difference in grades when it comes to luster and wear. But until then, I keep Photograde close at hand.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Could someone tell me what software is "Photograde"? or is it a book?
Pillar of the Community
United States
714 Posts
 Posted 05/10/2007  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yechi7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Photograde" is a book. Photograde: Official Photographic Grading Guide for United States coins, 19th Edition

http://www.amazon.com/Photograde-Of...41514&sr=1-1
Pillar of the Community
United States
971 Posts
 Posted 05/11/2007  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nelrak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I use the Photograde book in conjunction with the ANACS Grading book since they both have pictures.

Another source I use is the Heritage Auction page at http://www.ha.com. If you click the coins section and then they have a link for past auctions complete with high detailed pictures and selling prices of graded coins from NGC, PCGS, ANACS, and some IGC. Therefore you can make that comparison of those three sources before purchasing or grading your own coins.
Valued Member
United Kingdom
195 Posts
 Posted 05/31/2007  05:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stratocaster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How do you grade a damaged coin? or a rusty one? How about coins with holes?
Valued Member
United States
429 Posts
 Posted 06/20/2007  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LeAnn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, moved my question to it's own topic.
LeAnn

Edited by LeAnn
06/21/2007 2:13 pm
Valued Member
United States
54 Posts
 Posted 08/03/2007  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ludeboi121 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow so much grading methods, I'm trying to learn how to grade all my coins as well.
Valued Member
United States
346 Posts
 Posted 12/09/2007  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bonham3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS states: Gem Uncirculated = MS65-66 (only)
Can I assume Gem Unc. is the same as Choice Unc. ?
If not,
Then that would make Choice Unc. MS67-69 (only)
Just a phrase but curious.
NGC uses the Gem Unc. term.
Thus: Unc. 60,61,62
BU 63,64
Gem Unc. 65,66
Choice Unc. 67,68,69 (or also called Gem Choice)
P Unc. 70 and +
Then naturally, all of the above terms are MS inclusive.

Thank's
New Member
United States
29 Posts
 Posted 12/13/2007  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fauxtog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was going to ask a question of what makes an MS 70 or PF 70 but I see earlier in the thread that 70's are a bit mythical.

I was looking through some of my silver eagles though and I saw in a certain light what looks like a raised pool around the raised letters on the outer circumference of one of them, for lack of a better word almost like a glow around the type. is this normal for a larger uncirculated proof coin struck on silver? I assume that silver being a bit soft opposed to alloys
Pillar of the Community
United States
2730 Posts
 Posted 12/17/2007  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bonham,

Regarding your question on Unc, Ch Unc, and Gem Unc ... this is my understanding:
Gem Unc/BU = MS65-66+
Choice Unc/BU = MS63-64
Unc/BU = MS60-62


Valued Member
United States
58 Posts
 Posted 03/12/2008  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sgtbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm currently working on a large cent collection and grading info was very good especially determining thr f vs. vf vs xf where I usually collect. Thanks, Sgt Bob
Page: of 4 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.

Coin Community Member eBay Sales

Certified Coins   Certified VAMs   Certified Errors  




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2018 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2018 Coin Community Forums
It took 1.14 seconds to rattle this change. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05