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Cuds On Canadian Coins

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 Posted 08/22/2017  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
not quite a cud but getting there you can't see it well but the broken piece of the die was starting to shify away from the rest of the die and is slightly elevated from the rest of the coin...very interesting piece. I share ownership of this piece with Apirix.

CCCS 1943 Tombac 5 cent piece, retained broken die


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 Posted 08/22/2017  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pginrh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty close, but at this stage of the variety the is known as a 'retained broken die'.
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 Posted 08/22/2017  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Would a large cent with a deep crack that passes across the middle of the reverse of a large cent "in an arc from rim to rim" be considered a retained cud ?.

...and does it belong here ?


I'm of the opinion that the appropriate answer is "technically, yes." Cuds (IMO) are subsets of the broader term "Broken Dies," and thedollarman and SPP-Ottawa's coins are at the ragged edge of the division past which "Broken Die" is the more descriptive - and more "important" numismatically - term.

In the interest of yet greater needless complication (), it might also devolve to whether or not a piece has completely departed any solid connection to the rest of the die, still in place or not. But if half the danged die is laying on the floor whilst the rest is still striking coins, is it just a "cud?"
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 Posted 08/23/2017  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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, but at this stage of the variety the is known as a 'retained broken die'.



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I'm of the opinion that the appropriate answer is "technically, yes." Cuds (IMO) are subsets of the broader term "Broken Dies,"


Thanks for the "fine tuning" in this description..

I'm leaning on the "retained broken die" for this 58. It's a very tough die pair as I've only seen a pic of one other from Rob's book.

A Turner OB5/RB19..at 0 %..



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 Posted 08/23/2017  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! Those are neat coins thedollarman and DEVLEC. Great finds! I bet those dies didn't strike very many more coins after those.



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 Posted 08/23/2017  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well Phil310, a Wow! from you certainly carries a lot of weight here..

Thanks..D
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 Posted 09/09/2017  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spotted this one in the 1971 publication of The Kayak, Vol. 1, No. 8-9 (Aug-Sept), on page 118.

I don't know whose collection this coin resides in now, but it is almost as impressive as my 1937 die break and cud.

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 Posted 09/10/2017  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a nice small cent cud SPP-Ottawa!

Here's another nice small cent cud I found recently.




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 Posted 09/10/2017  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add loonielewy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Phil310- that is nice. Love the way the 'C' blends.
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 Posted 09/10/2017  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, that is a nice one Phil!! Maybe take a hawthorn and clear away that black gunk around the edges of the devices...
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 Posted 09/11/2017  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. It would look a lot better if I got rid of the gunk. I'll work on that.
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 Posted 10/31/2017  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found 1 today ---not nice but hey its a cud


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 Posted 11/02/2017  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find Don! That's a keeper.
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 Posted 06/10/2018  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
New addition for this thread...

Not one, but two cuds on this 1907 NFLD cent.

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 Posted 06/11/2018  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Check Errers and Varietys's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice find! I love that Cud.
More information about Die Deterioration? http://goccf.com/t/317950
Retired U.S. Mint Coin Die Set information. http://goccf.com/t/302961
Machine Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/332421
Die states progression on coins. Scroll down, so you can see the different die state progressions. http://goccf.com/t/325638
Die Deterioration Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/336470
Split Plate Doubling Tutorial. http://goccf.com/t/357614
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