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 Posted 01/08/2018  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G. Put the wrong label in the slab.

Or that would be E.

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 Posted 01/09/2018  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Dave, I revert back to my original argument (in page 4) that an AU coin will not exhibit rub only on the high points, but will also contain various spots/bag marks in the fields as well. Mike's coin has virtually flawless fields. I do not believe it possible for circulation to create the high-point "wear" we see on Mike's coin without at least leaving some sort of evidence in the fields. Heck, if I took an MS-70 coin and used a precision file to just file a way a bit of metal on the high points I doubt I would produce results anywhere near to what seen in Mike's coin. All the other AU coins I looked in Heritage's repository (I didn't obviously check all but I checked quite a few) had ample evidence of circulation in the fields.

Even if we assume re-toning occurred inside the slab, additional color will not eliminate circulation marks from the fields which leaves me to conclude that the grader was:
A. Clueless
B. Overly conservative
C. Nervous and unsure
D. Was looking at a different coin and got confused?
E. Some other human Error
F. All of the above


Worthy arguments. In the end analysis, anyway, this is a coin which commands Mint State money even if circulated. You buy the coin, not the slab, and this one's high-end. It's well-struck for an issue not known for that, the fields - as you mention - are pristine, and the color is (to me) to die for.
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 Posted 01/12/2018  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The capped bust guys at the fun show all advised to go with NGC over PCGS. NGC is the authority on the series apparently.


More like they know it's easier to get it from you cheaper using that service if you decided to sell.

Look at the recent auction results there's some big price gaps between the PCGS and NGC ones if that really is a 63 or better and PCGS is clearly the holder a seller would want it in from the results.
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 Posted 01/13/2018  05:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Look at the recent auction results there's some big price gaps between the PCGS and NGC ones if that really is a 63 or better and PCGS is clearly the holder a seller would want it in from the results.


I think this is the one and only time I've disagreed with you Baseball. Looking at the raw auction numbers without taking into consideration each coin's eye appeal is a flawed metric.

From my experience eye appeal reigns supreme at auctions. I wish it was that easy to crunch the numbers to determine value. But it isn't. No one can quantify eye appeal into $$. Hence our very flawed price guides.

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 Posted 01/13/2018  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just re-read the thread.
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 Posted 01/13/2018  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think this is the one and only time I've disagreed with you Baseball. Looking at the raw auction numbers without taking into consideration each coin's eye appeal is a flawed metric.

From my experience eye appeal reigns supreme at auctions. I wish it was that easy to crunch the numbers to determine value. But it isn't. No one can quantify eye appeal into $$. Hence our very flawed price guides.


In general I completely agree it's a mistake to look at numbers of other coins and then determine if a separate one is under or over priced based off that.

In this case though I did look at a lot of the listings that brought those numbers and even considered venue, CAC, and holder premiums as well and still came to the same conclusion.

As one example these two coins were both sold in the same Legend Auction and both are CAC with fairly similar looks.

https://legendauctions.hibid.com/lo...GC-ms64-cac/

https://legendauctions.hibid.com/lo...GS-ms64-cac/

58s saw it a lot too as well as the other grades. It actually mattered more on the better ones than the run of the mill average looking ones
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 Posted 01/13/2018  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I personally prefer PCGS over NGC, as I feel they fetch a higher price at auction, but it's whichever you want to go with.
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 Posted 02/14/2018  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Finally, after a ridiculous amount of months, I should get NGC's verdict tomorrow.
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 Posted 02/14/2018  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cableguy815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good luck! As I've said all along, it's without a doubt an MS coin. I'll call it an MS62-63.

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 Posted 02/14/2018  05:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion )
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 Posted 02/14/2018  10:07 am  Show Profile   Check TNG's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too add a bag of popcorn after re-reading this and catching up.
Beautiful coin MikeF !
Hope it gets an accurate grade from NGC.
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 Posted 02/14/2018  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDollar2017 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 02/14/2018  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeF to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You guys are going to go crazy. It came back as au-details cleaned! And yes I'm being serious.
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 Posted 02/14/2018  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cableguy815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope you are joking because if not

I don't understand what is NGC seeing with the coin in hand that we obviously are not seeing from the pictures?

Any hairlines visible when exposed to direct light? Any luster problems? Is there any trace of luster to begin with?

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