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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades (V2.0)

 
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 Posted 09/18/2019  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Since nothing has been posted yet for the decade of 1060s
As it happens, while I initially thought that the coin below would fit for the 1060s, I eventually found out that it is actually from the 1070s.

So I'm also posting it now...



Northern Song/Sung dynasty, Shenzong/Shen-tsung
Xining/Hsi-ning era/reign title (1068-1077)
10 cash (devalued to 3 or 2 cash?), 1071-1077
just over 30 mm, about 9.03 grams

Numista 26361, as far as I can tell.
Probably Schjoth 542 or 542a (not sure what the difference is).

...Incidentally, I also wonder what's up with the visibly off-center reverse.
I mean, if this was a struck coin, I would've said "misaligned dies", but I don't think it's an option for a cast coin like this is?
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 Posted 09/18/2019  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice to get a couple more coins from the decade of the 1070s @tdz and @j1m.

Here is a Chinese cash from the Northern Sung Dynasty (first reign of Emperor Shen Tsung). It can be dated to between AD 1068 and 1077.



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 Posted 09/20/2019  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another 1 cash piece from the Northern Song Dynasty of the Empire of China. It is of Zhihe (Yuanbao, regular script), and dates from 1054 to 1056.

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 Posted 09/21/2019  07:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice work @joseph! We are now on the decade of the 1040s. I can't help move this thread forward today, although I can help again a little earlier in the 11th Century.
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 Posted 09/21/2019  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tried to find out which coins were posted for the 1040s on the first edition; the answer, as it happens, is "none" - the 1040s were passed during the confusing period where the thread moved on to the next decade regardless of whether any coins were posted.

There are some 1040s coins around, but, to the best of my knowledge, I don't (yet?) actually have any.
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 Posted 09/21/2019  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes @j1m, it can be a hard balance to strike between staying true to the rules of the thread and keeping things moving. I think that we have stayed more on the rule-following side of that equation for this version 2.0. Did you look in Hartill to see if there might be another Northern Sung cash? We've had some success there lately.

I do have a Hungarian coin that was minted starting in AD 1046, but the length of time that it was minted exceeds our limit.
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 Posted 09/21/2019  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a dirham of the Ghaznavid sultan Mawdud, 1041-1048, struck at Ghazna (Afghanistan) in the month of Shawwal, AH 435 (i.e. between Wednesday 2 May and Wednesday 30 May, AD 1044).

Shawwal is the word at the very top of the obverse field. The date khams wa thelathin wa arba' mi'at is written out in words in the obverse margin.
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 Posted 09/22/2019  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin KS! Its yours?
Amazing how these can be tied down to a month..Paul
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 Posted 09/23/2019  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@palouche It was mine. I sold it a couple of years ago. Dates including the month are found here and there in Islamic coins.
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 Posted 09/25/2019  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice job @ks! Thanks for posting this coin minted in the decade of the 1040s. I'm inclined to let us move backward to the 1030s with your post, although technically the rules don't address coins which are no longer in our collections.

Thoughts?
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 Posted 09/26/2019  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not hearing strong opposition so I feel comfortable making the executive decision to let @KS's post move back to the decade of the 1030s.


Here is a cast Chinese cash from Emperor Jen Tsung of the Northern Dynasty that dates to AD 1038/1039.


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 Posted 09/27/2019  07:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm not hearing strong opposition so I feel comfortable making the executive decision to let @KS's post move back to the decade of the 1030s.
.....I agree if the coin has been owned by the poster it should count..

Nice coin Spence!I don't know anything about Chinese coins but I do find them interesting...

I'm afraid I cant help til the 970's....Paul
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 Posted 09/27/2019  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm inclined to let us move backward to the 1030s with your post, although technically the rules don't address coins which are no longer in our collections


I realize that "consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" but last March we were stuck on the 1170s for about a month, and I put up a coin that I had previously owned, but we opted to wait.

For the record, I think this is a prudent relaxation of the rules. Many of us acquire, then divest of coins as we upgrade, or shift emphasis. If we're lucky enough to still have access to a photo, sure, let's count it if we can't come up with one that's currently owned.
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 Posted 09/27/2019  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok yes good input @palouche and @tdz. Sorry about my lack of consistency. Also, I could probably also be a little more patient when waiting for others' thoughts.



Here is another Cash from the same emperor, but dating to between 1023 and 1031 AD. It is absolutely amazing to me that such careful mint records were kept.



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 Posted 09/28/2019  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Moving back to the decade of the 1010s, here is another Northern Song Dynasty cast Cash (Tian Xi Tong bao). It dates to AD 1017-1022.



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