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Walking Back In Time From 1600 To Antiquity By Decades (V2.0)

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 Posted 07/04/2021  06:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok and thx to @finn! Just like that we have caught up with the first version of this thread! I'll lock that one down, but here is a link if you want to compare: http://goccf.com/t/195985


Looks like it took us just over six years to go from 1600 to 450 AD in that original thread, whereas here it only took us about three and a half years!
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 Posted 07/05/2021  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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 Posted 07/06/2021  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While we wait, a coin that was probably minted in the 440s

Valentinian III AE4
Obv: DN VALENTINIANO, diademed bust right
Rev: VICTORIA AVGV (or similar), Victory standing left with wreath


Sources I found online give the minting range of these from 440-455, although given the extreme paucity of any AE from Rome after 455, I would imagine 440s to be more likely for these. I'll leave it up to the community to decide if this will do, or if we need to wait for one of Theodosius II's later types.

Once we get past this decade, with Dave's dated Gupta drachm, I believe the next tough decade is the 410s, with very few LRBs certainly attributable to this time period. It should be relatively smooth sailing after that, possibly except for the 370s.
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 Posted 07/06/2021  8:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another nice one @finn, but in the past we really tried to hold out for coins with no more than a 10 year minting range. Let's see if anything turns up. I agree that we have a few more tough decades ahead of us before an easier ride.
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 Posted 09/27/2021  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let's get rolling again!

440s AD

Theodosius II
AE4 Nummus
Constantinople mint

Obv: DN THEODOSIVS PF AVG diademed draped bust right
Rev: THEOΔ monogram within wreath
Minted 445-450



430s will be tough, but if Dave has a dated Gupta drachm then we should be able to coast right past and into the BC range!
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 Posted 09/27/2021  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Palouche to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow!,,,,,,Great pick up Steve and 'Rrrreally' nice detail..
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 Posted 09/27/2021  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sweeeet! I'll see what I can contribute for tomorrow.
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 Posted 09/27/2021  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Wow!,,,,,,Great pick up Steve and 'Rrrreally' nice detail..
Yeah...

Kinda sad that so much of the legend is off flan, but with so many other things in favor, it's still an awesome coin. And with a full legend it would probably have been worth crazy money anyway.

Looking forward to further progress! I'll have to look over my collection to see what, if anything, I have for the next few decades...
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 Posted 09/28/2021  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a Drachm of the Western Satraps issued by King Kumaragupta I. I believe that it is dated to GE 111, which roughly corresponds to 431 AD. I'm not super-knowledgeable about these though and welcome any additions or corrections.




I do have a few decades with no coins starting now, so I'm hoping our late Roman collectors can pick up the slack moving forward. Let's give it a day to see if there are any other coins of the 430s to post.
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 Posted 09/28/2021  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice one! I've been looking for a dated Gupta drachm, but I haven't managed to find one yet (save for that Skandagupta mentioned a few pages back that I didn't want to pay a premium for)

I double checked, and I do have this

Theodosius II
AE2, Cherson mint
DN THEODOSIVS PF AVG, Diademed (helmeted?) Draped bust right (should be holding spear?)
CONCORDIA AVGV / CONS, Theodosius II and Valentinian III standing, holding long cross between them

Minted ca. 437



This type is one of the few varieties of larger AE minted after about 410 and before the reform of Anastasius. They are mintmarked Constantinople, but IIRC have only been found in Cherson, suggesting local mintage. They are believed to commemorate the marriage of Valentinian III to Licinia Eudoxia, daughter of Theodosius II, in 437.
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 Posted 09/28/2021  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let's drop back to the decade of the 420s tomorrow. Noice!
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 Posted 09/29/2021  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
420s are easy enough

Johannes ruled from 423-425



This type was minted by Theodosius II for Valentinian III to commemorate his accession. The date I have for it is 425-429. It is notable for the distinctly childlike portrait, fitting as he would have been less than 10 years old here.

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 Posted 09/29/2021  2:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
410s might be tougher than I initially thought. Trouble is that none of the common AEs of Theodosius II and Honorius can be easily assigned to this decade (most run from the 400s to the 410s or from the 410s to 423) - we might have to reach out to @VisigothKing to see if he can post his Jovinus to keep us moving.

Yazdgard II won't be much help because I don't think his coins can be assigned to a decade, and this period of the Gupta Empire is still too poorly understood.

Once we're past the 410s, I'm pretty sure I can carry us most of the way back to Augustus.

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410s might be tougher than I initially thought.
I looked at Numista, and I have to admit that their coverage of the late ancient era is highly spotty, so they could have easily missed something, but as it is, they only had three good entries for the 410s, and... let's just say that Jovinus is by far the most common of them.
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